Just wanted to let you know that this issue is being discussed privately, but for now you need to be aware that any clan activities involving your "honorary member" will not be credited in the eyes of the RHG system, and trying to circumvent that will result in your clan being close on SP. I already see Zetabrand as a separate entity spawned from RHG, and you guys are obviously free to do as you please with your creation on your own turf. If that involves taking on more than 6 members, then that's your prerogative, but that would only apply to whatever activities you do outside of SP. On SP, the 6 member rule is there for a number of good reasons, and trying to circumvent that rule by calling a member "honorary" will not work. If it becomes a problem where we keep seeing your honorary member acting as an official member in your activities, then we will have to take action which would just basically severing your ties to RHG clans. As I said, it's being discussed so this could change, but to avoid unpleasantness I wanted to make sure you're aware this is how things are. Zetabrand is a good clan, but you're not exempt from the rules. If you really want to do things your own way, then maybe it would be best to just separate completely from RHG clans anyway.

I fully agree with Jeff. To have such drastic measures occur on one of my favorite clans of all time would be really depressing. Especially over a rule that has been in place... forever. The simple act of disrespecting the rules sends a ripple through the community, especially coming from many peoples idols ( you guys. )

I would hope that from all this time, you'd respect the RHG system, me, and the mods that keep RHG running, and everything that has been ever been put into the system as a whole.

On the front page I see three honorary member spots. Hmmm.

So far as I have seen, Zeta has now to choices of what to do

1. Abide by the rules

2. Follow through with this and in the process change the whole bloody place.

Because Zeta has quite the amount if supporters so if Zeta does it, then trust me, people are gonna bloody bandwagon with them on this. Thus causing the whole place to go insane and have chaos. (Okay I might be exaggerating but from what we can all see, this is getting very out of hand.)

There is no following through, this is a system tried and true, developed and harnessed over the years. This isn't something that you can just bend willy-nilly because you see fit to change it yourself. I trust that the guys I grew up with here will make the right choice and understand the difficulties of keeping such a system up and running for years on end.

if we ourselves don't follow or enforce the rules they have no traction. I'll restate what Jeff said, that if Zetabrand would like to have their clan members that exceed the 6 members do things OUTSIDE of the site that is entirely fine. On their own site, doing projects and what have you. As far as the actual RHG system, and clans, in order to be recognized by the RHG system and to allowed to be affiliated with, they have to abide by the same fair equal rules set across for everyone.

Which in this particular case, is 6 official members.
"Honorary" members have been allowed in the past simply as written as a top supporter or official number one fan. Not to be included in the official roster and or participate in official clan events or competition.

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There is no following through, this is a system tried and true, developed and harnessed over the years. This isn't something that you can just bend willy-nilly because you see fit to change it yourself. I trust that the guys I grew up with here will make the right choice and understand the difficulties of keeping such a system up and running for years on end.

if we ourselves don't follow or enforce the rules they have no traction. I'll restate what Jeff said, that if Zetabrand would like to have their clan members that exceed the 6 members do things OUTSIDE of the site that is entirely fine. On their own site, doing projects and what have you. As far as the actual RHG system, and clans, in order to be recognized by the RHG system and to allowed to be affiliated with, they have to abide by the same fair equal rules set across for everyone.

Which in this particular case, is 6 official members.
"Honorary" members have been allowed in the past simply as written as a top supporter or official number one fan. Not to be included in the official roster and or participate in official clan events or competition.

I don't see how we are not following this? Our honorary members won't be competing in RHG events, battles, practices, etc. What our honorary members will be doing is participating in collabs that are hosted on Youtube, but how is that any different from any other guest in our collabs? We will be doing this outside of the RHG and outside of Stickpage, and outside of SP we will support them as a member. Do I need to take the honorary section down? Are you getting rid of the honorary members on the entirety of SP?

I'm not trying to tear down the system here guys and I think it's a bit dramatic to say I'm disrespecting you and RHG. Let's work it out. I just want a larger united group that will follow the same vision. It doesn't have to take place within RHG because leaving RHG is not an idea that I'm necessarily fond of.

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I don't see how we are not following this? Our honorary members won't be competing in RHG events, battles, practices, etc. What our honorary members will be doing is participating in collabs that are hosted on Youtube, but how is that any different from any other guest in our collabs? We will be doing this outside of the RHG and outside of Stickpage, and outside of SP we will support them as a member. Do I need to take the honorary section down? Are you getting rid of the honorary members on the entirety of SP?

I'm not trying to tear down the system here guys and I think it's a bit dramatic to say I'm disrespecting you and RHG. Let's work it out. I just want a larger united group that will follow the same vision. It doesn't have to take place within RHG.

All this drama for nothing :( I agree with both Naz and Stone. The system was here to avoid panic and such. Though, I've been asking myself a question lately. As we see in multiple MMORPG, Clans are getting privilege to invite more players into their rank if they achieve certain stuff. So, I wonder with the new RHGT comin in, would it be an option to be able to unlock more spots for a clan (to a certain limit of course)? This way, it would push other clans to be more active and get Zetabrand into more RHG stuff while being able to work in and outside SP.

Just a simple thought ;)

so in other words, honorary members are useless, is what you guys are trying to say? We already have supporters, what would be the difference between them? We've already had people from outside our clan join in our collabs and activities, and never had any sort of problem then. We've got a lot of respect for you Stone, and this was never meant to disrespect the RHG system. It's just that we feel zetabrands main goal was to make great collabs and animations and RHG was secondary, but we still participated. we've done many collabs, and even when we wanted them to be a part of the main stickpage site, we were denied.

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Let it be known that HewittCorp had 7 members mere moments before Zetabrand announced theirs.

Here at HewittCorp, we try to be pioneers of innovation.

HEWY, DAWG, YOU GOT MY BACK?!

lol I don't know if you're actually serious but I was just trying to make an attempt at crude humor. This was back when I had no idea how serious breaking the "6 members only + honorary" rule was. I request that post be stricken from the record and to be taken lightly.

HewittCorp is not a real clan, but a satire of "noob clans that dont do anything". It's not meant to live until the end of this week where I post a satirical clan battle and call it quits and even if it was, does not in anyway adhere to any law of an RHG system.

Fact is, I'm afraid I'm in agreement with Jeff and stone as there was a very intricate discussion on this in the batcave.

For future reference, if the existence of HewittCorp bothers people concerned with this rule, then I will migrate it to Community Projects so that I can get my Clan War Satire up (I already have entries, just waiting on some stragglers). Then that'll be that.

Yeah Hewitt, I know. I wasn't serious. Just trying to bring in some light humor to the situation.

The issue at hand, is not many other clans are believing that they can have as many people a part of their clan as long as they just label them 'honorary' members. The way your front page post, and replies indicated seemed as though that the honorary members would - in no way at all - be any different than the official roster.

Which, circumvents a lot as whole which created a trickle event of other clans questioning and challenging other rules. You can clearly see how that's a nightmare to manage lol.
Generally speaking, honorary members are your TOP supporters. We just wanted to make sure it was made clear for you guys, as well as everyone else that honorary member ( as a name ) isn't just a name you can slap on so you can have infinite members of your clan.

If it were true, then whats the point of having a clan with an open-ended amount of members? Eventually, all of SP would just be Zetabrand :P

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If it were true, then whats the point of having a clan with an open-ended amount of members? Eventually, all of SP would just be Zetabrand :P

AHA! the plot is REVEALED!