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Not enough abs on those abs.

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Hahahahah XD
I feel you.

Well I was just completely ignored. Can someone answer my question about the three honorary member spots please?

Edit: oh my. It vanished well never mind I guess o_o

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so in other words, honorary members are useless, is what you guys are trying to say? We already have supporters, what would be the difference between them? We've already had people from outside our clan join in our collabs and activities, and never had any sort of problem then. We've got a lot of respect for you Stone, and this was never meant to disrespect the RHG system. It's just that we feel zetabrands main goal was to make great collabs and animations and RHG was secondary, but we still participated. we've done many collabs, and even when we wanted them to be a part of the main stickpage site, we were denied.

In the context of SP and the RHG clans system, yes. They aren't meant to serve a purpose other than simply recognition. The term "honorary" when used as an adjective is defined as "given for honor only, without the usual requirements or privileges". What I was trying to say earlier is that you can have people from outside your clan participate in collabs and stuff, because those collabs don't really have anything to do with the RHG system. By 'activities', I'm essentially referring to anything this clan does that involves the RHG system, like clan wars and such. It seems people have forgotten that the RHG clans system is basically a game. You're supposed to be working towards conquering by making animations and participating in RHGT. The point is that if you're going to proclaim that you have a 7th member you shouldn't include that person as such in your RHG page, and you shouldn't participate in any RHG events with that extra member (because it violates our rules). You can keep him as honorary, I don't care (though the message you have underneath is kind of disrespectful), as long as you understand these restrictions that apply. Hell you can even list him as something like, "non-clan member" or "supplementary member" with a footnote that they aren't part of the RHG clan, but are part of ZB as a group.

The reason we felt it was necessary to make sure you guys knew this is because of your general disrespectful and arrogant attitude. You say you didn't mean disrespect or that it's a dramatic claim, but comments like these:

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Yeah, I said 7. [...] I know the technicality of "RHG Clans" only having 6 members but ZB doesn't necessarily participate in any RHG events and it seems like such a pointless restriction for us.

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Oh yay, I get threatened again by sticklers to take my clan down. Not the first time and probably not the last.

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//facepalm

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make that a double. at least nhaz came up with a decent workaround for now. [...] the clan rules are simply a hoop to jump through at this point.

Don't exactly paint a nice picture for you. Again, Zetabrand as a collab group? Cool, do what you want. We're not the creativity police. Zetabrand as an RHG Clan? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. At this point, this clan thread is just a big secondary site for you, which isn't what clans were meant for.

Well that escalated quickly :o
Hopefully all of this washes over and everyone has peace.

@Stone/Jeff: If Zetabrand had collabs that are separate from Stickpage can they involve all of these "honoraries"?

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Well that escalated quickly :o
Hopefully all of this washes over and everyone has peace.

@Stone/Jeff: If Zetabrand had collabs that are separate from Stickpage can they involve all of these "honoraries"?

Yes, so long as you're not trying to count it towards your clan (i.e. a clanwar).

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Zetabrand as a collab group? Cool, do what you want. We're not the creativity police.

the air of arrogance you got from our posts, jeff, is actually due to frustration more than anything else. the whole idea to adding an extra member or two has absolutely nothing to do with RHG. The reason we decided to do this, is to give us more freedom and options with our animation projects. Sometimes 1 or 2 members can't participate in a project, so instead of waiting forever, we'd just rather have more members that are always on-hand to pick up the slack. I suppose to keep this thread up and running, we'll have to sort out our official members, and perhaps completely eliminate the honorary section. the 6 official members for RHG purposes are Tentionmaru, Nhazul, VirusKid, Kixx6, Shibuya, and Dracko. but as far as our newgrounds, youtube, and other projects go; invites, special guests, and even extra full-time animators are going to be implemented, as we've always done. we never planned to add more than 2 members to the official animation team. a lot of people seem to get the idea that we were planning on recruiting anyone and everyone for some kind of tyrannical regime xD. Don't worry, Zetabrand is not going to become the next ShinRa. Shuriken is a member of zetabrand, but not when it comes to anything rhg related; this is how I suppose we'll have to view things.

I also want to clear up the idea that zetabrand spawned from rhg clans. Nhaz and I had this thing going well before that, but thanks to the clan system, we found a nice way to bring in others in an organized fashion. plus it was a great way to spread the name, and we're incredibly grateful for that. and in contrast, I think ZB has done a lot of good in spreading the name of RHG and the idea of clans in general.

even though ZB as a clan has never participated in an rhg related event, we have as individuals. it's a fun system, and has done very well, it just isn't ZB's main focus. I'm sure Nhazul will have more to say on the matter later.

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the air of arrogance you got from our posts, jeff, is actually due to frustration more than anything else. the whole idea to adding an extra member or two has absolutely nothing to do with RHG. The reason we decided to do this, is to give us more freedom and options with our animation projects. Sometimes 1 or 2 members can't participate in a project, so instead of waiting forever, we'd just rather have more members that are always on-hand to pick up the slack.

That's fine, I think we've established that. The problem is that this is still the RHG clan section of SP and you're still bound by the rules here. You guys failed to acknowledge this when introducing your 7th member, and this only seems to lend credence to the idea that this isn't really an RHG clan page to you, but more of a "homepage" for your collab group, which is not what RHG clans are for. Outside of the RHG clans section, it's perfectly fine for you to do whatever. We were never trying to tell you that you cannot make collabs with more than your 6 members or whatever. This all has to do within the context of the RHG clans system, I hope I'm being clear.

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I suppose to keep this thread up and running, we'll have to sort out our official members, and perhaps completely eliminate the honorary section. the 6 official members for RHG purposes are Tentionmaru, Nhazul, VirusKid, Kixx6, Shibuya, and Dracko. but as far as our newgrounds, youtube, and other projects go; invites, special guests, and even extra full-time animators are going to be implemented, as we've always done. we never planned to add more than 2 members to the official animation team. a lot of people seem to get the idea that we were planning on recruiting anyone and everyone for some kind of tyrannical regime xD. Don't worry, Zetabrand is not going to become the next ShinRa. Shuriken is a member of zetabrand, but not when it comes to anything rhg related; this is how I suppose we'll have to view things.

This is exactly the idea. You guys are at a point now where you need to separate the entities enough so that one isn't affecting the other. That's why I've been trying to clarify ZB as a collab group VS. ZB as an RHG clan. They are the same overall group but when it comes to RHG clans things have to be set up in a certain way. Like I said in the announcement post I made, if you think there should be more than 6 members we can definitely discuss that separately. I'm open for debate about any rules on this site, RHG or not, and I'm sure Stone is to. If it was a problem for you guys from the beginning the mature thing to do would have been to talk to Stone about it before hand and work out how best to implement a 7th member instead of just announcing that you were doing it anyway and then acting like the RHG rules were a burden. At least then you probably would have come to the same conclusions a lot earlier.

Anyway, hindsight is 20/20. As long as we understand each other and that you guys accept we're just trying to maintain the RHG clan system and NOT trying to put a damper on your creative activities, then we can move forward.

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also want to clear up the idea that zetabrand spawned from rhg clans, because it didnt. Nhaz and I had this thing going well before that, but thanks to the clan system, we found a nice way to bring in others in an organized fashion. plus it was a great way to spread the name, and we're incredibly grateful for that. and in contrast, I think ZB has done a lot of good in spreading the name of RHG and the idea of clans in general.

even though ZB as a clan has never participated in an rhg related event, we have as individuals. it's a fun system, and has done very well, it just isn't ZB's main focus. I'm sure Nhazul will have more to say on the matter later.

Thanks for clarifying. I'll be honest and say that I've never really paid much attention to ZB when it comes to the RHG clans, so I'm not up on the history or whatever. All I knew was that there was a ZB clan and the animators from it made stuff together. I only really ever watched what you guys produced, and as I mentioned before, I mostly regard you as a kind of "studio" rather than an RHG clan.

EDIT: apparently I wrote this at the same moment jeff did so some concepts or ideas overlap here. However, I did find some of what I wrote to add to what jeff has stated above and vice versa.

I don't think it needs to be discussed any further. It's pretty simple as a whole. If you are going to include extra people in your clan, aside from the 6 official roster ( which isn't even full from what I see? ) then you must not denote them here at the official clan section or else it is entirely unfair to the whole system.

If you wanted to be able to expand there is a much better route you could've taken instead of just blatantly throwing it back at the mods simple trying to enforce the same rules across the board to everyone. A possible pm request for change and why it is needed would have been more than sufficient.

If you are going to state that your honorary members are in no way shape or form different then your official roster, here at the official site of RHG and Clans, then they must not be included here. If you wish to hold your own events and projects outside of the clan system and rhg here at stick page by all means thats entirely fine. Have 50 members at your site. This is the last thing I want to have as an issue with my favorite example of a prime clan of RHGs. You understand the massive ripple it causes and what it means to everyone else here and the entire system if we just allow you to say you have extra members as a pure exception.

Nearly any and all other rules could be bent and referred to this as an example. Mod: you must have no more than 6 people in your official roster. User: What about zetabrand, they have as many as they'd like? Mod: that was an exception. User: thats not fair. Mod: .. yea, sorry.

It just doesn't come off right lol.

All we ask, that here at the official site of RHG, clans and territories that you have no more than 6 clan members listed with your honorary mentions being nothing more than a top supporter / potential for the next available spot. That's all! We still wish to see amazing stuff from your guys clan here, or your site or anywhere else. We just as organizers of the system are bound by the rules in which we enforce to keep clarity and fairness for all. We aren't some nazi's bent on destroying your clan or ruining your creativity because of some tyranny spin off. You know me, and I you, we just simply ask that ( at least here ) you abide the rules as we enforce upon all others.

There's no reason to even argue about this guys.
Its Simple:

When it comes to RHG/clans then follow the rules, simple
When it comes to ANYTHING separate then do whatever you want.

What jeff and stone are saying is not to try and do away with the RHG rules, they are in place and will therefore stay there.
If the "honoraries" were meant to be separate in the first place then why even argue back? Jeff and Stone were just trying to make a point.
So everyone relax and go back to watching The Walking Dead.

EDIT: Stone said it before I could :)

Oh man I forgot that the Walking Dead aired. I'm so behind!

Pleaaase, I'd like to start animating xD
If you'd like a discussion board with the rest of your members you could even;

- Make a facebook group
- Add a forum to your site ( if you don't already have one? I've not visited in awhile im afraid ;-;
- Hell, even create a ZB group here on SP

All we ask is that there is a clear definition of 6 members, with not outside added extensions or definitions equal to of that of an official member here on SP. To be fair to all in the system and all that have had or currently have anything to do with it :}

TWD, i only have netflix and lexie can't watch it so my time is almost nil to watch. Which makes me very sad. i think im like, mid-way through season 2?

Yeah Jeff, unfortunately I don't have the same respect for all moderators and I think some can bring the worst out in me. I understand what their job is, but general authority and status doesn't garner respect IMO, individual actions and presence does. I shouldn't have said "pointless" rule, as that is a bit more provocative than I would have liked to come across. When one of our goals is expansion and that is not possible in the RHG universe, the member restriction "feels" like a hindrance to us. I understand the standby that "rules are rules" and RHG was built on these rules. But then again, there is another standby "rules are meant to be broken" and tested. We all do it in animation everyday and sometimes the result is not so pretty. No one would be an original without breaking so called "rules", written or unwritten. It's not like we are breaking laws here :p. Well, it appears the results didn't do us many favors this time, except for giving us clear direction. Now that we know for sure that we must expand offsite if we wish to retain our RHG activity status, we will abide by the rules. I also understand how seriously each moderator stands by each individual rule. Jeff, I appreciate you laying it out in a detailed manner for us. It looks like we'll need to use your last post as a guideline to move forward.

You got us in the cage. Let's consider it cleared up.

EDIT: Oh jeeez, so this post took too long, so much more to read now XD

How Nhazul sad, Dracko is 6th official member of Zetabrand. I'm just honorary member, not seventh. Let's stop talking about this. I'm honorary member of Zetabrand for Stickpage. I won't do anything, what will brake rules of SP. Of course it's sad a bit, but my dream wasn't idea to become famous because of existing in zeta. I wanted to be with this guys and create great stuff with them. Of course, i won't participate in clan wars, clan competitions and other events in which honorary member shouldn't be. That's all what i wanted to say. Let's stop discussing that.
~Best Regards, Shuri!