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Btw, can I propose a suggestion: Can we make "Making an Incomplete RHG" an infractible offense instead of just locking them outright? I could go on an in-depth reason if you want me to explain it further, but basically it'll help deter impulsive noobs in the longrun, remove the stress of having to unlock the thread and edit people's RHGs for their benefit.

YES, please do.

Just like how we made the "make ovvious questions" in the general help thread infractable, I think it's time to do the same with RHGs.

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I'm like the idea, Hewitt. +Omega used to do both lock threads and infract people, so maybe infracting the person alone could work. But other members won't know when a user's been told off, so it could inspire a lot of mini-modding in many flawed threads, whether we've it to them or not.

Oh I didn't know Omega did that. All the more we should reinforce it.

I don't think the minimodding issue is a problem. I mean, I don't think its a regulation problem, but a communication-related one. I think that can just easily be remedied by one big sticky: Something like DO NOT MAKE AN INCOMPLETE RHG. Or we add it to the rules in that sub-section.

Anyways, don't enforce this yet. It's just one of the many things I'm taking into consideration right now, amongst an even bigger initiative to simplify and create focus in that subsection's rules.

I wasn't going to simply enforce the rule out of the blue. I'd prefer to make an announcement and re-write the locked rules.

A new sticky thread for it should do the trick. If you add it in some thread just a bunch of people would notice, maybe an announcement first, then the sticky thread.

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A new sticky thread for it should do the trick. If you add it in some thread just a bunch of people would notice, maybe an announcement first, then the sticky thread.

An announcement is easier to spot, because it lingers above every sub-forum in RHG and plus it's more eye-catching.

I like where this is going. Just let me know if you guys need me to make something happen. I'm going to try and relock the trash can as well.

I don't know when I think about what you guys are talking about, it seems like it's more for you to vent frustrations than it is for them to learn. I mean, it definitely is a very annoying issue but it's one perpetrated almost entirely by newbies, as in people who are new to the forum or that section. Giving them an infraction isn't going to solve the problem of new people being new and not following the rules, as chances are if they didn't read the rules in the first place they probably didn't read the part that tells them they'll get infracted for not following the rules.

Then again it doesn't really hurt to enforce it, but if you're really looking for a solution to the problem I doubt infractions are going to help much in this case.

I don't even think there IS a solution, this problem will always exist because people don't read or they just go ahead and make an RHG thread for the sake of making it, we can only try to decrease the amount of people making this mistake, and I think an announcement telling everyone this new "rule" might help with that.

Edit: This why I think there should be ifnractions or some kind of warning/announcement.

That dude actually made two different topics about the same thing, and gave them different words. Props for such a lowered level of quality.

This is exactly why I didn't want to enforce it yet and left this open for discussion. Creating the RHG Rules Thread has taught me that it has done little-to-nothing about the offenses listed (although it is handy to have so we can link it when we infract people there--an unintended benefit). We can keep adding shit to it, but in the longrun it's not going to be any effective. The suggestion to infract incomplete rhg threads was just an idea I tossed in, but it seems the issue really is communication or the dissemination of information thereof.

An alternative is I guess, is the longterm investment strategy. Bear with me for a second as this is going to sound confusingly idealistic. The concept is we have to show some love; that whenever we enforce rules it is towards some benefit. When we infract we dont just tell them off. We have to inspire the newcomers to not act like they are now and that requires consistency across all the boards.

Maybe I'm just made of too much Heart :D

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Maybe I'm just made of too much Heart :D

This, coming from the guy who called me a pussy for not infracting people once I got back from all my busy business. Lol, just kidding, you know I luvs ya.

Infracting people, is your job. The way you were reasoning it, it appeared like you were just concerned about your image.

Tecness disappears for weeks and comes back to infract people all the same. And not everyone likes him or knows him. Does it matter? No.

I would've understood if your reason was that TheOrg was new. But he isn't even new and there was no reason to warn him.

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Infracting people, is your job. The way you were reasoning it, it appeared like you were just concerned about your image.

Tecness disappears for weeks and comes back to infract people all the same. And not everyone likes him or knows him. Does it matter? No.

I would've understood if your reason was that TheOrg was new. But he isn't even new and there was no reason to warn him.

The thing is not so much that I care about my image, so much as I care that I'm not misusing my mod powers. Tecness moderates the Stick Empires section, and as such, the users there know him well enough. That aside, their issues are (in my opinion) not quite as debatable. Since I moved to being the General Discussions mod, I came to a position where everything I do has to be calculated. I'm not a global mod like you, so whatever I do can be attacked. Really, I'm trying to just get back to a position where if I infract and there's an issue, it won't become some huge controversy.

lol anything I do can be attacked as well. what are you talking about?

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lol anything I do can be attacked as well. what are you talking about?

Dude, you've essentially got a mini cult. I'm that guy with a stick who shoos away the kids and gives slaps on the wrists. Or, in more analogous terms, you're the hot algebra teacher and I'm the dorky history one. Same paycheck, different views on policies by others.