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Dec 21, 2013 5:49 PM #1127754
Azure, for me the only difference between a global and a normal mod is that the global mod can handle more sections. The fact that you can screw up by giving an infraction and it's consequences apply equally for both sides, I don't know what are you talking about.
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Dec 21, 2013 5:52 PM #1127757
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Azure, for me the only difference between a global and a normal mod is that the global mod can handle more sections. The fact that you can screw up by giving an infraction and it's consequences apply equally for both sides, I don't know what are you talking about.


People tend to question the decisions of General Mods more than Global ones. It's the hierarchy logic.
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Dec 21, 2013 6:36 PM #1127764
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People tend to question the decisions of General Mods more than Global ones. It's the hierarchy logic.


If it was for that I wouldn't be infracting people. Even tho is not my section, when you were not here, I checked daily the general forum to see if I could do something, wouldn't I have to be afraid of people questioning my decisions?, we all can make mistakes, and we'll probably keep making them, but that doesn't mean that you can't do your duties as a mod for yourself.

Also, smile was whining about the infraction I gave to him yesterday, apparently I gave him the infraction "because I hate him", I tried to explain to him that when it comes to forum stuff, I can separate my personal interests from moderation duties, but he didn't believe it, he is getting on my nerves tho, always trying to question everything I do.
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Dec 21, 2013 6:54 PM #1127773
Regardless of your moderator status when you infract people you will always have those whining kids that want to bicker and argue with you because you're "abusing your powers". That's why whenever someone replies to an infraction PM I will decide whether or not they had a valid point in any aspect and I will discuss it with them. If it's just kids being kids, I won't bother with a response.

A lot of the moderators will read through infractions that are posted in the infractions section as sort of a checks and balances type of thing. Don't worry about giving someone an infraction and whether or not it's right or wrong. The best thing to do is to not second guess yourself. The only time I would really be concerned is if it is obvious power abuse.

Edit: Camila, I'll take care of it.
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Dec 21, 2013 8:40 PM #1127821
Alright then. Guess it was mostly a self-doubt issue (and Camila's problem with Smile is exactly the thing I want to avoid).
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Dec 21, 2013 8:45 PM #1127823
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and Camila's problem with Smile is exactly the thing I want to avoid.


Well that's where you have to step up and show that you're the one right here, it is not the first time I face something like this, is not a pleasent thing but it's a part of our "job" and you'll just have to deal with it and face it responsibly.
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Dec 22, 2013 12:59 AM #1127900
No like I just did for camila I will do for any other moderator. I looked at the infraction, evaluated whether or not it was for a legitimate reason which it was, and sent smile a private message telling him that by arguing an obvious infraction is in violation with complaining about disciplinary action and disrespecting the volunteer service that mods partake in. If anyone gives you shit then come to is and we will take care of it.
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Dec 22, 2013 1:00 AM #1127901
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Dude, you've essentially got a mini cult. I'm that guy with a stick who shoos away the kids and gives slaps on the wrists. Or, in more analogous terms, you're the hot algebra teacher and I'm the dorky history one. Same paycheck, different views on policies by others.


Like I said, why does that matter? You don't think I'm not immune to dickery and criticism as well? I've been called out a few times both by noobs and vets concerning unjustified infractions and some of the time they're right. I've had to infract people I really really like even though subjectively, they didn't really come to me as offensive. And I'm pretty sure I have a "mini cult" because of my actions as a user, not as a mod.

Your allegory is cute but inaccurate. It's more likely we are both selflessly donating to the same charity but rather you are doing it by sending clothes to a relief outpost in your hometown twice a month, while I'm a constant volunteer who goes to the disaster sites themselves to help pass on water bottles and do other kinds of menial labor. The means and intentions behind our actions are the same, by the circumstances behind it differ---one day I won't be around this site much anymore, and I won't have time to volunteer every damn day. It doesn't change the fact that I will falter in my ability to mod. And neither will you.

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Alright then. Guess it was mostly a self-doubt issue (and Camila's problem with Smile is exactly the thing I want to avoid).


That's kind of impossible. Conflict is part of the job. And the best thing for you is to know what is right and whether or not you are in the right. You don't have to make friends to get a leg up on the "competition" but it is nice to have. In this case, I would have approached smile differently because we already know each other.

On the other hand, appeal to emotion isn't really necessary. It'll take a blow to your approval rating, but fuck that. That's just a factor of popularity. What really matters is if your decision to infract the guy was right to begin with. And if you don't know you got me and Arch and Jeff here. And the rest of the Sectionals as well.

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Azure, for me the only difference between a global and a normal mod is that the global mod can handle more sections. The fact that you can screw up by giving an infraction and it's consequences apply equally for both sides, I don't know what are you talking about.


Ideally you are right, but as Arch and often times Sacred, Exile, Devour, and Zed have done, Global Mods have a little more say in how to do things---things that appear unorthodox for the traditional rulebook to handle. This is just me but the way I've always seen it is that Sectional Mods are lucky as they have Globals to lean on as their moral core. But Globals have no one but themselves. You can infract someone for the most inane of reasons that you yourself don't know if it's justifiable and you will have no one to turn to unless you ask OR you can just leave it alone and none will be the wiser. The freedom in deciding yourself what is right can be scary in its own right but it has its perks.
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Dec 22, 2013 6:25 AM #1128026
Not like we "sectional mods", can't decide or help you in a decision with some infraction, or give an opinion about it you know?, not that "since I have less power over the forum, I can't contribute to a global mod's decision... sorry if I missed your main point but that part of the post sounds kinda elitist.
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Dec 22, 2013 11:22 AM #1128109
know your place, you wench!

im just kidding, you completely missed the point. Im not saying that sectionals have less power or do not have a say in important matters, but that the global's scope is beyond the sectional's understanding. I mean, if we just did whatever we wanted without consultation, then we wouldn't bother posting it here for deliberation in the first place. Having the ability to pitch in beyond your scope of your section is a plus and it shows good initiative and genuine love for this place but it isn't a necessity given your scope. You don't see Tecness contributing a thing to matters outside the SE section, but he's there and he's doing what he can to moderate SE.
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Dec 23, 2013 5:12 PM #1128760
The Spambots are seen more often now, I thought stone changed some stuff in the registration requirements... or...

OH NO... THEY'RE LEARNING!!.
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Dec 25, 2013 11:57 AM #1129777
thot its obvious but im on christmas vacation. im booked till late january. expect my appearances to be sporadic.
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Dec 25, 2013 2:11 PM #1129817
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thot its obvious but im on christmas vacation. im booked till late january. expect my appearances to be sporadic.


Now who is going to mod the art/tutorials section? I hope azure gets here more often.
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Dec 25, 2013 4:24 PM #1129889
I HAVE been here more often. I've been on every day so far.
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Dec 25, 2013 4:47 PM #1129908
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I HAVE been here more often. I've been on every day so far.


Since a week ago tho. You're planning on staying right?, I can't close threads and stuff in the general discussion section... only gice some infractions but it doesn't help much.
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