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You can call people out without being hostile though
just because he couldn't bring himself to not be an asshole doesn't mean that when he couldn't take it anymore being an asshole was justified
I've talked about how caelo is full of shit on multiple ocassions while stil keeping it casual.

Hmm. I also totally agree with this.

Maybe it would be worth pointing out to some of the older members who have been getting more harassment warnings that its fine to disagree and call people out on their bullshit, as long as they're civil about it? It might lessen the whole "this place is being turned into a hugbox" vibe.

That's pretty much my feelings on it, you can openly disagree with someone without crossing the line into "ay fuckboy, how do your parents not kill themselves with a child so retarded."
Similarly, it's fine to openly dislike someone as well, as long as you're civil. Using myself as an example again because I'm the only source I can't misinterpret, I didn't like mike at all, everyone knew, but I never went out of my way to flame or harass him like sss or Cook. That just isn't ever necessary.

So apparently he just wanted enough attention to talk about his "i hate myself problems". What did I tell you.

I mean, I don't treat people like crap when something bothers me irl. And let me tell you all that this won't be the last time that it happend, I know him from a long time already to know that this will repeat multiple times in the future and I'm not okay with that.

Well to be fair to jutsu he'll turn any situation into "I hate myself" if you let him, I don't think that's unique to this instance

I'll copy paste this from a PM I just sent to Devour telling me that it was ok to talk about irl problems.

Yeah I'm ok with talking about irl problems. I'm not okay with him HAVING TO be harsh and act like a complete ass to everyone on his way 30 minutes before start to talk about what is bothering him.

Sad part is that this will happen again, and now that he actually insulted me in quite a few posts I really think I won't be as tolerant.

Why don't you tell him this

Oh sorry I kinda had 4 hours left to sleep. But I'm awake now, I'll PM him this now hoping that he doesn't eat me alive.

Well on the thing about hewitt's complaints, here's my thought;

Hewitt's post led poppet to make an off topic comment. So it's fair to say that the off topic started on hew's post.

On setto's post however, no one replied/related to his off topic comment. the post gets disregarded, and the topic continues to flow. thats why I think it doesnt get infracted.

Wait wait so, are we just gonne leave Jutsu go with a warning? Seriously? Are you guys that used to him being an ass?. I'm really not cool with the fact that he can do this crap whenever he wants, he has got 2 warnings already for being harsh to other members and even after raptor's warning he continued to be rude until he got the attention he wanted.

I don't know how I feel about infracting him. On one hand, I feel like he deserves it. His outbursts were anything but civil and understanding, and he was being a complete asshole. On the other hand, it's hard for me to infract someone who's obviously not in the right frame of mind.

I think I'd lean towards an infraction only because he's a repeat offender and it's better tell him now it's not okay then later.

If he argues against his infraction, I'd suggest saying a few things: As what Drone mentioned, there are plenty of ways to call someone's shit out while still being civil about it. He has the right to dislike someone, but he doesn't have the privilege of yelling at someone and being an asshole to everyone and justify it with "I should be allowed to say it, fuck hugging." And finally, there's an ignore button for a reason.

Would you please Raptor? I swear I'd do it myself but since I was one of the persons he got angry with it may seem like I'm doing it for the lulz.

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Wait wait so, are we just gonne leave Jutsu go with a warning? Seriously? Are you guys that used to him being an ass?. I'm really not cool with the fact that he can do this crap whenever he wants, he has got 2 warnings already for being harsh to other members and even after raptor's warning he continued to be rude until he got the attention he wanted.

I don't think he was crying for attention. We were the ones who made him spit it out when he didn't want to talk about it.

He's made an ass of himself before, but never this badly. He probably won't explode quite like that again too, and if he does I'd infraction him then.
But the topic moved on and most of the mods and Jutsu himself seemed settled. I think it would be bad to infract him now and lose the progress we made on saying "mods can be bros too"

If you folks need other mods opinions on something, I'd wait for more than just one person's opinion before going ahead and making a decision.

Nah bro. If I didn't infract his ass was because it was 2 am for me and I had to get up at 6. What up with Caelo?, she PM'd me saying that she was super offended by how Jutsu treated her, and was asking me wth was wrong with him. Are we going to completly ignore the fact that he was an ass to her just because we may lose "progress" with him?. Hell no, sorry but I do not agree with that.

He did something wrong.

He was warned not one, but 2 times.

He should be infracted.

Is that simple, of course we can explain to him the why. But he does deserve it.

I totally agree with your sentiments. Jutsu was on fact a total asshat and that's not okay. But really, he and all the other old members get infractions so few and far between that they really don't matter except to cause drama sometimes. When an older member gets banned it's usually after discussion that leads to a ban outright.

I think it's more important to use methods to change old members behaviour for the better that will actually work instead of making things worse.

A revenge infraction might not do any good. If we want to fix things, we need to actually talk to him and get him to realize why being an ass isn't cool. And why using other methods to dispute with someone else is not just following the rules, but also much more effective at getting what they want to dispute settled. This goes for dealing with all old members, I think.

Then, if that doesn't work, serious infractions or outright bans might be what's needed, and I'd only agree that they needed to be done.

And I'm completly fine with doing all you just suggested. But gawd, can't you see how unfair it is to just let him go without an actual punishment? Even tho he might not give a crao about it, is what it has to be done, because otherwise I find it REALLY, REALLY unfair, specially fir Caelo who was legit offended by his comments.

We can talk to him, we can try to improove his behavior yes. But give the guy what he deserves for being an ass, and not because he doesn't seem to care about it, it means that we won't do anything about it.