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There's nearly conclusive proof that the universe's shape is flat, which allows the total sum energy of the universe to be zero.

Do you have a link for this at all? I'm not doubting it; I'd just like to read more.

Quote from blacktrilogy

I just guessed. It wasn't an assumption. I know you're ranting about how you're signature doesn't show that you're atheist and it is just a joke. But at the same time, that's an argument a lot of atheists use against religion. That if they can believe in a god that cannot be seen, heard or felt then they can believe in the flying spaghetti monster all the same.

It's a joke, but a crude and misleading one.

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Quote from SPaZ

But people might write off that incident as a fluke (or your mom just buying what you wanted so you would stop begging). Are there any other reasons why you might believe in a god?

Yeah, that's what I've started to think now.

Other reasons would just be the sense it makes to me on not a universal level, but the few ethical restrictions it places that help me stay in check. There's a reason it's harder to abstain from indulgences than it is to immerse yourself in it and then have a feeling of self-loathing afterwards.

Even if I had lost faith, It wouldn't help me as a person to leave my faith for numerous reasons.

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holy shit, I want to stab you.

Just forget it, you win.

Quote from Captain Cook

I have just as much evidence to support the flying spaghetti monster as you have to support "God".

This part might seem a bit old, but honestly. There is no evidence to support any flying spaghetti monster, and if that's what you're implying for Christianity, there is absolutely no relevance. There is evidence to support God, and one hell of a lot of it. Let's start off with evolution. Most Atheist believe that humans evolved from monkeys over a couple thousand years or so. Note the official name, the evolution theory. So, if we hypothetically evolved, then why is there a band in our body that prevents us from mutating or evolving? Bang goes the evolution theory. Now, the Big Bang theory. There was just a whole ton of nothingness floating around in space, and then these two tiny little particles that crash into each other and now there's freaking billions of light years of planets and stars and nebulae and stuff. If nothing existed, where's the particles come from? I know for a fact that there a Christians who believe that God created the particles, but that's not the point. If you're an Atheist, how do you explain them? Then there's the historical accuracy of the Bible, and how everything we know about history supports it. To top it all off, has anyone heard of the Whirlpool galaxy? It's a couple billion light years away. There's a black hole at the dead center of it, and you know what was in the centre of that black whole? The shape of a slightly tilted cross. Now, explain that. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Quote from blacktrilogy

holy shit, I want to stab you.

Just forget it, you win.

Holy shit, you're a kiddie fucking cunt ass faggot.
/cmpunk2012

Quote from Excellion1498

This part might seem a bit old, but honestly. There is no evidence to support any flying spaghetti monster, and if that's what you're implying for Christianity, there is absolutely no relevance. There is evidence to support God, and one hell of a lot of it. Let's start off with evolution. Most Atheist believe that humans evolved from monkeys over a couple thousand years or so. Note the official name, the evolution theory. So, if we hypothetically evolved, then why is there a band in our body that prevents us from mutating or evolving? Bang goes the evolution theory. Now, the Big Bang theory. There was just a whole ton of nothingness floating around in space, and then these two tiny little particles that crash into each other and now there's freaking billions of light years of planets and stars and nebulae and stuff. If nothing existed, where's the particles come from? I know for a fact that there a Christians who believe that God created the particles, but that's not the point. If you're an Atheist, how do you explain them? Then there's the historical accuracy of the Bible, and how everything we know about history supports it. To top it all off, has anyone heard of the Whirlpool galaxy? It's a couple billion light years away. There's a black hole at the dead center of it, and you know what was in the centre of that black whole? The shape of a slightly tilted cross. Now, explain that. Coincidence? I don't think so.

If the universe was created by the big bang. Then what created the big bang? Nothing.
But how can there be a big bang if there was no time? Whats before the big bang? An oblivion?
That's were it simply makes no sense to me. You can prove me wrong, and I would love to hear you're ideas. But could 2 universes clashing ultimately create another universe? But if that's possible whats between universes? I'm clueless on how nothing creates EVERYTHING. what's before time? Is that an answer to complex to answer? I'm not trying to make a point.

I'm trying to find an answer.

Quote from Fizzysoda

If the universe was created by the big bang. Then what created the big bang? Nothing.
But how can there be a big bang if there was no time? Whats before the big bang? An oblivion?
That's were it simply makes no sense to me. You can prove me wrong, and I would love to hear you're ideas. But could 2 universes clashing ultimately create another universe? But if that's possible whats between universes? I'm clueless on how nothing creates EVERYTHING. what's before time? Is that an answer to complex to answer? I'm not trying to make a point.

I'm trying to find an answer.

If God always existed, how was God created?
But how can there be a being who created everything, he couldn't create himself!
That's where it simply makes no sense to me. You can prove me wrong, and I probably won't give a damn about your ideas. But does anyone have valid evidence of another universe? I'm clueless on how the universe was created, like everyone else. I'm also, in a way, clueless about any Gods, and so is everyone else, no matter if they're religious or not. What's before Gods? Is that an question no one will be able to answer?

I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything, I just... I don't know.

Skagrind the concept of a "being that always existed" is not too different from "something was always there but we just can't find out how it got there" ...

We pretty much don't know how it became or when it was created but somehow we just learn to have faith in it either way...

I didn't mean to create a debating point, I just....posted that.

Quote from SkaGrind

I didn't mean to create a debating point, I just....posted that.

Then we can almost agree that there's as much proof in no god as there is in a god.

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Then we can almost agree that there's as much proof in no god as there is in a god.

What proof is there of no God?

Quote from Excellion1498

What proof is there of no God?

What proof is there of God?

Quote from Fizzysoda

Then we can almost agree that there's as much proof in no god as there is in a god.

I guess so.

Read the Bible. Creation. Our own existence. History itself has countless proofs.

Quote from Excellion1498

Read the Bible. Creation. Our own existence. History itself has countless proofs.

... All of which can be easily accounted for without the existence of a Creator.

I've read the entire Bible. It offers no authentic proof of God's existence.