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Actually you're the one who's interrupting the debate and wasting everyone's time by contributing absolutely nothing. This isn't about making people "budge", we're not here to convert people, we're discussing our beliefs of the unknowable. If you consider that "fucking worthless" then don't fucking post in these threads, nobody gives a shit.


"The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is its polarization: us vs. them. - the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you're sensible, you'll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status." - Carl Sagan


Do you understand how the redshift effect seen in the electromagnetic absorption spectroscopic analysis of light from distant stars supports the theory of an expanding universe that's billions of years old? Or how it supports the theory of the big bang? What about the CMBR? I'd be surprised if you knew what it stood for, let alone how it was formed by photon decoupling after the primordial plasma cloud expanded and cooled enough to allow recombination of charged particles to neutral hydrogen atoms, some 370,000 years after the big bang.

I've spent a lot of time researching cellular biology, chemistry, geology, astrophysics and anything else that helps me form my beliefs and present them in the best way possible whenever these debates turn up.

But you? The amount of effort you're willing to put into it is "god OBVIOUSLY planted dino bones and shit to test our faith, thats only logical!". What an enlightened little shit you are. Fuck you for saying it's "fairy tales to scientific theories" when you're just as clueless to those theories as the people you're insulting.

It's one thing to not believe in christianity, but if you're not even willing to put effort into discussing your beliefs, much less even learning about them, then stop posting in these threads. Stop pretending like some blind belief in "science" with no ability or willingness to intelligently discuss it somehow puts you on some intellectual high ground compared to theists. It just makes you look like a giant fucking douchebag.



grumble, grumble, serious business, grumble grumble. this shit is frustrating.

Quote from Exilement

I'm not asking you to answer it, I'm just saying the only thing that can possibly be more complex than the universe is a being capable of creating it. If the universe seems too complex to be created out of nothing, then it should be impossible to believe a higher power was created out of nothing as well.

The total sum of energy in the universe is zero, so it's theoretically possible for it to arise from nothing. As far as how, though, I have no idea and I doubt anyone else does either.

Quote from blacktrilogy

Just speculating, but what if God was a being outside of time and space, outside of the universe?

That'd mean he would hypothetically have no beginning/creation, and no end.

Quote from blacktrilogy

Just speculating, but what if God was a being outside of time and space, outside of the universe?

That'd mean he would hypothetically have no beginning/creation, and no end.

Quote from blacktrilogy

Just speculating, but what if God was a being outside of time and space, outside of the universe?

That'd mean he would hypothetically have no beginning/creation, and no end.

Quote from Exilement

He would have to be, by definition, a being outside of time and space if he's the one that created both of those concepts.

It still doesn't answer the question of how or why, it just makes things even more complicated. Again, that's all I'm pointing out.

Quote from Captain Cook

I think I agree with Exilement.

The big bang theory implies that it was simply a chemical combination that created the universe. Creationism begs the question of not only how the universe was created, but why, and for what purpose?

Quote from blacktrilogy

Just speculating, but what if God was a being outside of time and space, outside of the universe?

That'd mean he would hypothetically have no beginning/creation, and no end.

Quote from blacktrilogy

It seems to me that it's equally complicated that in the beginning there was either the vacuum of space and the big bang or a being that created the universe and with it, the laws that govern us.

Sure, there's more circumstantial evidence supporting the big bang theory, but they seem, to me, to be equally complex.

Quote from blacktrilogy

I would be lead to believe that, from a Creationist standpoint, the big bang was initiated by a higher being and we were created on it for the purpose of having our faith in this celestial being be tested.

A chemical reaction resulting in the solar system and surrounding universe we have today is still quite plausible, but is hard to digest for me because they use it in the circumstance that the laws that govern us today, like gravity and the laws of thermodynamics do not apply; making it more conceivable to have the planets align and the solar system be as it is.

Even then, we barely understand gravity as it is.

Quote from blacktrilogy

It seems to me that it's equally complicated that in the beginning there was either the vacuum of space and the big bang or a being that created the universe and with it, the laws that govern us.