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Is War Really Necessary?

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Jun 6, 2012 7:25 PM #671633
then how come other parts of this planet are at peace?
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Jun 7, 2012 3:02 AM #671812
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I don't think its necessary. No one deserves to die.


I'm going to say this now, and several times throughout this post, but there are a fuck ton of people in this world who need to have their lives prematurely ended. When I say a fuck ton, I'm speaking about a good 20-30% of the world population. If I'm alive when medical science reaches several more breakthroughs and with further government aid people are able to live in ease for eighty to one hundred years I am not going to be a happy camper.

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War isn't necessary. They could just have a debate about it like what we do here in the forums. The government can just make debate about it like we do. We do not go to people's houses and kill them to end our debate with them. We just finish it with a talk. Remember, words are powerful too.


Are you honestly this blind to how things work in this world? Hopefully you are at least in high school now and socialize with people of different variety everyday. I don't give a fuck who you are, with the amount of close minded fucks in this world, you are not going to enter a debate and change anyone's mind. Do you not understand that some people could care less and will push their beliefs on others regardless, or just want to see the world burn.


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war is not a neccesity, if people only learned to get along with each other the world would be better off (and if we had no politicians)

but it is our human nature that makes us want to better other people.. so we fight with them :/


If we had no politicians? That's a bit unfair. Just because we have corrupt officials who are too busy worrying about greed doesn't mean you should label all of them as such. Without politicians, who else is there to stand up for what you may believe in? People do know how to get along with one another. What people don't know how to do is be fucking tolerant of one another and respectful of each other. What do you know about human nature? Humans don't naturally strive to be more successful than one another.

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But most of the people up there can't think of another one.


Honestly in this day in time I think we are due for a good war. To dream of a world without war and conflict is madness.

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War is inevitable. If you put two people in an enclosed room together they'll eventually come up with a reason to kill each other. This can also be said for mankind in general. Mankind can never have enough. As long as someone else has something someone else wants then there will be war. Also if no one ever had wars imagine the kind of crisis we'd be in. The overpopulation would be at ridiculous levels if wars had never been fought. The human race repopulates much too quickly. Therefore war is a necessity.


If you put two people in an enclosed room together they will eventually come up with a reason to kill one another? What the fuck are you smoking?
People will obviously fight due to differences, aggravation due to starvation, and food. As far as war being a means to control human population, I'm all for it. There are too many of us anyways.

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We went from 1 billion people in the early 1800's to over 7 billion today. Population growth occurred because of industrial, medical and agricultural advancements. It has nothing to do with war keeping the population in check before that time.


Don't forget these faggot ass baby boomers and the sudden value we put on life because of the advancements in medical science.

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Okay so all this arguing over war is understandable and i understand many of the points of views each of you have made... However the fact of the matter is war is just like anything else in history, no matter how hard you try to make a perfect "Utopia" it will always be their. I personally don't think war is necessary does that mean that it won't happen of course not. My favorite quote is this, "As long as there is man, there will be war." -Julius Ceaser He said this back when humans where still gashing at each other with swords and using the most brutal of ways to accomplish their goals. War, needless to say, has evolved much since then. I think that it is just as, or even more so brutal as it was back then, but throughout history there has never been any single point where no one in the world was at war. Asking a question such as "is war necessary?" is very logical. But you must look at the full spectrum of things. Constants in this world are; war, poverty, death, taxes, and many more, its sad but its true. People die everyday and that's not likely to change just by talking about it. If anybody ever finds a way to successfully develop "peace" I will eat every word I have just said about this subject. But war has its benefits as well, and the biggest one I think, although a little fucked up, is that it keeps the world population low. I understand if you do not like this comment but its merely just that a commented opinion.


I personally believe the reason we have yet to enter into a major world war again is that even with the nuclear weapons compact (whatever the fuck its called) everyone is still afraid that they're going to piss the wrong person off and end up fucking us all up. Worldly disputes are just like disputes in high school. It all boils down to whether or not the people involved are just trying to talk big and tough, or whether or not someone is true to their word.

Reducing population is not just the only benefit to war. I believe Exilement also mentioned the advances in science such as the gain of penicillin and other new discoveries from WWII. Another thing to gain is an economic boost. If companies start donating some of their time and resources to manufacturing weapons for the US Military like they have done before, it helps to put more people in work and more money in the economy.
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Jun 7, 2012 3:28 AM #671822
Just you guys wait for Armageddon, if you go by the scriptures anyway. XD
It shall be a HOLY WAR!!! Lol.
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Jun 7, 2012 2:16 PM #672034
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I'm going to say this now, and several times throughout this post, but there are a fuck ton of people in this world who need to have their lives prematurely ended. When I say a fuck ton, I'm speaking about a good 20-30% of the world population.


And it is your authority to decide this how?
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Jun 7, 2012 3:42 PM #672048
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i'm going to say this now, and several times throughout this post, but there are a fuck ton of people in this world who need to have their lives prematurely ended. When i say a fuck ton, i'm speaking about a good 20-30% of the world population. If i'm alive when medical science reaches several more breakthroughs and with further government aid people are able to live in ease for eighty to one hundred years i am not going to be a happy camper.



Are you honestly this blind to how things work in this world? Hopefully you are at least in high school now and socialize with people of different variety everyday. I don't give a fuck who you are, with the amount of close minded fucks in this world, you are not going to enter a debate and change anyone's mind. Do you not understand that some people could care less and will push their beliefs on others regardless, or just want to see the world burn.




If we had no politicians? That's a bit unfair. Just because we have corrupt officials who are too busy worrying about greed doesn't mean you should label all of them as such. Without politicians, who else is there to stand up for what you may believe in? People do know how to get along with one another. What people don't know how to do is be fucking tolerant of one another and respectful of each other. What do you know about human nature? Humans don't naturally strive to be more successful than one another.



Honestly in this day in time i think we are due for a good war. To dream of a world without war and conflict is madness.



If you put two people in an enclosed room together they will eventually come up with a reason to kill one another? What the fuck are you smoking?
People will obviously fight due to differences, aggravation due to starvation, and food. As far as war being a means to control human population, i'm all for it. There are too many of us anyways.



Don't forget these faggot ass baby boomers and the sudden value we put on life because of the advancements in medical science.



I personally believe the reason we have yet to enter into a major world war again is that even with the nuclear weapons compact (whatever the fuck its called) everyone is still afraid that they're going to piss the wrong person off and end up fucking us all up. Worldly disputes are just like disputes in high school. It all boils down to whether or not the people involved are just trying to talk big and tough, or whether or not someone is true to their word.

Reducing population is not just the only benefit to war. I believe exilement also mentioned the advances in science such as the gain of penicillin and other new discoveries from wwii. Another thing to gain is an economic boost. If companies start donating some of their time and resources to manufacturing weapons for the us military like they have done before, it helps to put more people in work and more money in the economy.


you, my friend, are a political and possibly a nuclear extremist. But i agree, order and chaos both have a place in the world.
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Jun 7, 2012 3:46 PM #672050
War doesn't serve as population control, people die from all sorts of things, most of which aren't on a battlefield. If we need to reduce the population, why focus on people who care enough about their country and values to die for them?

We don't need to prematurely end lives because of overpopulation, the birth rate just needs to be lower than the death rate. It's a problem that can be reduced gradually, resorting to genocide is ridiculous.
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Jun 11, 2012 12:21 AM #674587
Yes, Nazi Germany needed to be stopped, but other than that, WWII was the last honest war. All these other wars going on (Afghanistan, and Iraq) are deployed under false pretenses that make us "the good guys" when in truth, we are only pursuing a securitization of natural resources that aren't ours. The foolish reasoning of "because we are free" has pretty much no ground. You want to really know why everyone hates the USA? You want to know why nine eleven happened? Because we've been occupying middle eastern countries like Iran since roughly 1915. When Russia, in 1985, tried to pull the same shit we did to Iran in Afghanistan, because we were still baring our teeth at Russia, we gave Al-qaeda, and its leader Osama Bin Laden CIA grade weapons AND training in support of their jihad, or war against Russian occupation. You think the palistinians aren't even a little bit raw still after we threw them ALL out of Israel? not only that, we gave the Israelites our full support (extremely dangerous military weaponry and training) and we get oil from them a lot too! Operation Desert Storm was a fucking cake walk. Our infantry leveled Iraq within a couple hours, and now with Afghanistan in shambles also, we're trying to keep what little peace is left with the very guns that also destroyed them. NOT ONLY THAT, none of the Afghan officials can agree on SHIT to do considering a new political system, and while they're all bitching at each other about what to do, we're trying to force a constitutional republic on them. THEYVE BEEN A RELIGIOUSLY ENFORCED ARISTOCRATIC SOCIETY for nearly 2,000 years, we blow their shit up, and tell them they can't do that anymore. And you know why those old white pasty fuckers in congress don't give half a methane molecule of a rat shit for all the young lives they blow out just by agreeing to go to war? BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE TO SEE THE MONSTROSITY OF WAR. If war is necessary, its because we've fucked up our foreign relations so badly that it BECAME necessary. Don't give me that "freedom jealousy" bull shit. And don't even get me started on vietnam.
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Jul 4, 2012 7:48 AM #689833
I, have some evidence that war is absolutely necessary. for example WWII Due to extremely evil people like "Adolf Hitler" killing people for being Jewish. if it wasn't for the war he probably would not have stopped. however the Russians invaded and he killed himself right before they got him. if these countries did not fight him he would have killed even more people.
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Jul 4, 2012 9:35 AM #689868
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if it wasn't for the war he probably would not have stopped

How do you know?
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Jul 4, 2012 10:05 AM #689878
Look here! Here comes a big question Is war necessary? I don't think it's necessary to fight with each other with weapons and take each other lives. There is no use of killing oneself. It has never helped anyone and never help.
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Jul 4, 2012 3:27 PM #690025
It's helped plenty of people.

Next time try to back up your arguments with facts instead of emotionally-driven conjecture.
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Jul 4, 2012 3:53 PM #690051
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Look here! Here comes a big question Is war necessary? I don't think it's necessary to fight with each other with weapons and take each other lives. There is no use of killing oneself. It has never helped anyone and never help.


It sure didn't help all those concentration camp survivors.
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Oct 18, 2012 11:18 PM #762812
There are always alternate solutions the government just chooses to ignore them. An example would be the current War on Drug Trafficing.
Mexico had actually told the U.S. that if they educated their citizens about the dangers of drug use, the demand for drugs would decrease.
The U.S. though had decided to use military force instead because of the benifits. Drug cartels are known to send people across the border
to purchase guns which benifits gun manufactuers. The government recieves more military funding to help stop the illegal smuggling. In total
the government recieves millions, even billions, of dollars to stop 1% of drugs being smuggled while they would only recieve a fraction of the
money if they educated people specifically youths more. So in short, no war isn't really necesarry. You just have to think about who is benifiting
from such violence.

*Note:This is not meant to be taken offensive in any way. Just pointing out an example. I'd gladly give another about another country if you want.
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Oct 22, 2012 6:54 PM #766280
It was a good point, Judas. War is a casualty to some and a profit for others. An example would be the Iraq war.
Many people lost their lives, including a multitude of innocents on the Iraqi side. Who profited from that war?
Aegis, the IAP, Perini and more. The bastards who were making the bombs, manufacturing the drones and dropping the bombs of the heads of the victims. The media who were feeding off the fear and hatred like leeches. There is two sides to everything and war is no exception. Honestly? Yes, I think war is necessary.
Is it right most of the time? Hell no.
Is it worth it? Of course not.
But there will always be disputes that only war will solve. World War II was probably the best example.
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