Let's test that theory about God being all-powerful.

Q: can God make a rock so big and heavy, even he can't lift it?
A: no matter what answer, he is not all-powerful. If he can create such a rock, he is not all-powerful, he cannot lift it. If he cannot, then he is not all-powerful because he cannot make such a rock.

You are using constraints from this universe to limit the theoretical power of a deity that, by definition, transcends those limitations.

This is a tired argument and it doesn't prove/disprove a damn thing.

it's simple logic.

i don't believe in god, i believe in science (and this is a stupid thread).

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i don't believe in god, i believe in science (and this is a stupid thread).

And that was a stupid post. Science has nothing to do with belief.

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it's simple logic.

No it isn't.

If god exists, it created logic. A god isn't limited by something it's capable of creating from nothing. Your argument is a favorite among atheists and anti-theists who are just as clueless as devout fundamentalists. It's also complete nonsense.

i belief in science

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Let's test that theory about God being all-powerful.

Q: can God make a rock so big and heavy, even he can't lift it?
A: no matter what answer, he is not all-powerful. If he can create such a rock, he is not all-powerful, he cannot lift it. If he cannot, then he is not all-powerful because he cannot make such a rock.

I'm not religious but I don't like flawed arguments.

There are two different definitions of omnipotent. Descartes defined it as being able to do anything, even that which is logically impossible, in which case yes God can create a rock so heavy he can't lift it and he can lift that rock. I think it was Aquinas who defined it as being able to do anything logically possible, in which case you can consistently answer no and still let him be omnipotent. You are mixing the two definitions together, saying he can't do the logically impossible but also that omnipotence would be doing the logically impossible.

The better anti-God question is, what the hell are you talking about?

it isnt anti-god.I belive in God, but if it exists in the universe, it should have some kind of logic or reason.

I do agree with what Exilement says about god not having to abide by our logical restraints, but then I just think to myself "if we can say something is outside of our logic, what's the point in discussing it at all?". If it's outside of our logic, we can't use our own logic to bring it into existence through arguments creationists use. With that said, the default is disbelief, so it is correct to disbelieve and be agnostic, as we cannot know for sure. Haven't really thought this through fully though, I could be wrong.

the thing is, if God isn't really all-powerful, I cna live with that. So why dont peoplr just admit they have come across a paradox?

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the thing is, if God isn't really all-powerful, I cna live with that. So why dont peoplr just admit they have come across a paradox?

Because god's not reeeaaaal.

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the thing is, if God isn't really all-powerful, I cna live with that. So why dont peoplr just admit they have come across a paradox?

Like I said, it depends what you mean by "all-powerful". If you mean, as you seem to, "able to do anything which is logically possible," then there is no problem.

I too have wondered why there is a need for theodicies and the likes, all to retain god's attributes such as omnipotence and omniscience. Why is it so blasphemous for people to admit that there's a logical flaw there and say that he's simply the most powerful being, rather than the all-powerful being?

For one here, I am religious and do believe in god. What you're talking about doesn't really have any logic. if god could make a rock he couldn't lift, then he wouldn't make one. Either that or he'd create something that could lift it. so if god is powerful enough to create an item to lift the rock, then he is all powerful. -_-

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