I will say, this is one of the more annoying aspects of playing some Ele players. Ele is so fast, they can do the above with a certain amount of effectiveness, and order has little to no way to stop it since order is so slow.

Order has the ability to dominate in certain aspects of OvE but an ele player that knows what they are doing can, indeed, shut down most options. Very few options to deal with the range advantage aside from chasing with scorps early-mid and must tech into caster units like cycloids/V's to deal the real damage before order still has the option of setting up their turtle, in which case, must be shut down early or it will be a major pain in the ass to deal with.

I've done plenty as I will be pressuring the opponent with the scorps all the while still queuing the units necessary for my V's splitting them as the next wave of scorps respawn and my fires return before running back with the new army. Can't comprehend that?

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I've done plenty as I will be pressuring the opponent with the scorps all the while still queuing the units necessary for my V's splitting them as the next wave of scorps respawn and my fires return before running back with the new army. Can't comprehend that?

What happens when they got magikill and ninjas :P

I'm quite aware your entire Ele gameplay revolves around being ahead, but that does nothing to deal with when the opponent actually engages you with spellcaster and ninja deathball and you can't just tank it out with some scorplings or a charrog to avoid your V needing moving around.

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I'm quite aware your entire Ele gameplay revolves around being ahead, but that does nothing to deal with when the opponent actually engages you with spellcaster and ninja deathball and you can't just tank it out with some scorplings or a charrog to avoid your V needing moving around.

I don't use charrogs and the entire time I'm building units I am simultaneously pressuring my opponent to play MY game. The deathball doesn't simply appear. Mystery can attest to that as well. Everytime truthful, spartan, and miscrits attempted to deathball I simply stopped it as it began via stealing the key things they needed to set it up. It's simply a matter of macro and timing. Deathball takes time to set up; time I won't let them have. Time that order and chaos also cannot allow. It's like letting your opponent giant mass. You can steal the spears and ninjas as they appear with ease. You don't just leave them alone to build as they please.

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I don't use charrogs and the entire time I'm building units I am simultaneously pressuring my opponent to play MY game. The deathball doesn't simply appear. Mystery can attest to that as well. Everytime truthful, spartan, and miscrits attempted to deathball I simply stopped it as it began via stealing the key things they needed to set it up. It's simply a matter of macro and timing. Deathball takes time to set up; time I won't let them have. Time that order and chaos also cannot allow. It's like letting your opponent giant mass. You can steal the spears and ninjas as they appear with ease. You don't just leave them alone to build as they please.

2 ninjas = cant steal or else you lose your V?

You're saying you never ever find any opponents you face take you into the late game turtle? How the hell do you lose? Or do you seriously think you never lose to turtles? Do you think you have a 100% win ratio or something?

Can you stop skele? Like seriously. I just said that Myst, Spartan, and truthful were a few that attempt to turtle into deathball. Calm down and read please.

Simple remedy for two ninjas wait and bait. Whilst stealing fragile units in the meantime like merics and other such things.

It's pointless to go on with explaining this to you when it's not as difficult as you guys envision it to be. If you don't want to use them then don't. Good luck to you on breaking turtles without it.

I still don't get how you can claim to never experience a turtle where you don't have to select your Vs mid battle. Everything you have said does not address that original point I was bringing up. The only way I can understand it is that you simply forget when you've played a game and you needed to.

What happens is. Since my entire army goes in seiges from my base. I space my opponent out. Using my scorps to capture tower of necessary and run in waves into the opponent. Albeit a risky maneuver this keeps my opponent wanting to fight for tower for the most part early and mid game where I simply stall into my units to begin my runs. Once I have my 3 trees and sufficient fire/water support I look to see what comp my opponent has (if I haven't already by watching my scorps)
Usually the most seen build V's ele= sword/archer/spear/meric unless going into turtle to deathball. If they don't build the comp first my army can rush down and punish. I suppress the archers mainly as my scorch and fires will deal with melee units that get too hasty. By the time I see my opponent has begun to play more defensively, I prepare for the turtle by making my end game units. Starting with my V(s) to steal things like merics and spears. Picking these two away to let my poison and burn damage run to full effect as the enemy archers shoot his own units to little cost to me as he can't rush me with his current build. I ALWAYS make sure that my opponent doesn't get too much time in base to where he/she can build a shadow and if i do happen to see that my opponent managed to make one I make it a priority to steal it whilst covering my V with my other prior army. Meanwhile, I'm making more V's at base and producing clones to add extra dps. If my opponent, plays correctly I have the chance of not catching Shadow. (Unlikely with micro; I can avoid and tele-possess) once my army has done all it can do do the moment. I run my fires and V back to base and make my second-third V to make more clones and seperate my clones from the originals at base. After separating them I highlight the actual V's in their own group and then click the charge command. This allows me to maintain my selection of the actual V's whilst everything else continues forward. The clones and scorps tend to attack together and prioritize after I use the hold hotkey on the actual v's to prioritize any units that may be vulnerable from my opponent; adding pressure as I move my actual V's carefully one by one to possess as I please or bait any units to chase. My opponent will also have to make sure that he doesn't run into my waters whilst also aiming for my V's. He chooses my waters? I tele-possess. He chooses my actual V's? I outrun him or teleport; allowing my waters and/or my V's to freeze/possess. Make sense now?

Are you suggesting I do something vaguely similar to this?

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay11376967&version=2.29
www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay11376967&version=2.29

I have never been so bored playing Stick Empires as I was trying to run 3 trees into fires and Vs.

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Are you suggesting I do something vaguely similar to this?

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay11376967&version=2.29
www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay11376967&version=2.29

I have never been so bored playing Stick Empires as I was trying to run 3 trees into fires and Vs.

Every order game is archer mass.. so that looks slightly more entertaining and visually appealing.

Im not suggesting that you play with ele if you don't want to.
Your free to choose what you want to do.
What I am saying is, nobody needs to trash talk the empire simply because they don't like its mechanics or method of use. All three empires I find to be playable and fun. Running order every game is just too bland for me and chaos is fun but I like the flexibility and playstyle of ele.

I got good with ele. Got me places before I left for a bit. I got my ass handed to me so many times trying to figure out ele. I wanted to get better. Same thing as for when I started out playing with order. I was pure trash starting off. My first account on the game went by the name SirKomcision. Wyz will tell you that was the first time he met me if he remembers. I was utter garbage and asked everywhere I could for how I could do things. I thought sword archer meric on its own was more viable than spear/archer/meric. I saw no point in magikills shadows or giants. I thought they were just for style at best. Turns out order can do so much more than I was previously aware after I stuck with it. I improved so much. I taught myself what others couldn't. I want to help others along their way. Not spoon feed them answers, but guide them in ANY way that I have the ability to do so. I actually browse this forum looking for new people to scoop up into my guidance. If I can't help them, I'll find someone who can.
Returning to what I was saying prior, my ele has drastically improved to where I can say I'm now very skilled with using it to its potential. Mystery uses it very well imo as well. I do agree there are some issues that I am, very soon, going to be addressing. 2672 with elementals was what I got to before I had to stop playing for a while. I switched to chaos to get a feel for it and sacrificed by rating to come to terms with how the empire played out and am now 2.5k with it and can hold that rank with no issues. I'm constantly learning as I go along because I'm giving each empire a try and sticking to it. Not for the visual and aesthetic parts of the gameplay but for the experience and growth in skill as a gamer in this very franchise. I try to be as humbled as I can get and yet I get nothing back besides "oh snap, here comes PUMU bragging about his rating and shit. How he's so great with ele and shit." But no I don't. I come here and share advice on things that actually pertain to the game; none of which is very active and flowing might I add here due to the attitude of users around here.
Point is, don't like playing ele. I won't force you. Don't dissuade others from it with your remarks if you don't like it because you find it boring or unviable. Let others experience it firsthand; the best and only true method of learning.