No, I'm saying you can cause evil but not be evil yourself. I caused you to be evil by killing you father. But I am not evil because I was defending myself.

The analogy here is I gave you the choice to be evil just as God gives people the choice to be evil, but in both instances the sources aren't necessarily evil.

I think he's just trying to keep things balanced. Stuff dies as new stuff is born. Good and bad things happen frequently. It all cancels eachother out until the apocalypse.

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I think he's just trying to keep things balanced. Stuff dies as new stuff is born. Good and bad things happen frequently. It all cancels eachother out until the apocalypse.

Well I'll just lay down until the apocalypse then.

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I think he's just trying to keep things balanced. Stuff dies as new stuff is born. Good and bad things happen frequently. It all cancels eachother out until the apocalypse.

No. You're not understanding what I'm saying, and Christian is too ignorant to argue with.

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No, I'm saying you can cause evil but not be evil yourself. I caused you to be evil by killing you father. But I am not evil because I was defending myself.

The analogy here is I gave you the choice to be evil just as God gives people the choice to be evil, but in both instances the sources aren't necessarily evil.

Evil is opinionated. Also America didn't kill Osama Bin Laden in self defense. America killed Osama Bin Laden for revenge. Some may consider this evil.

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Evil is opinionated. Also America didn't kill Osama Bin Laden in self defense. America killed Osama Bin Laden for revenge. Some may consider this evil.

Oh my bad I didn't mean for those two arguments to be related, just another example since the first one brought in the hereditary thing.

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No. You're not understanding what I'm saying, and Christian is too ignorant to argue with.

I wasn't referring to YOU, I was reffering to God.

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Your dad is osama bin laden. U.S.A. kills osama bin laden. You become evil.

This isn't symmetrical with a situation involving an omnipotent being because an entity with that power would be aware of the exact result of its actions, while a person would not be.

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No, I'm saying you can cause evil but not be evil yourself. I caused you to be evil by killing you father. But I am not evil because I was defending myself.

The analogy here is I gave you the choice to be evil just as God gives people the choice to be evil, but in both instances the sources aren't necessarily evil.

Except that analogy doesn't apply here at all. What we're talking about, is a creator god, who specifically designed things like birth defects, cancer, natural disasters, etc.
And if you kill someone's father in self defense, that's not you giving anyone a choice. That's just you defending yourself, without knowing the repercussions for your actions.

Try to debate your point in a more straightforward manner. What exactly justifies god's decision of creating a system like this?

The book of Job is interesting to me, because it basically shows how god would toy with a person and then not give any justification for his actions, kind of like how any asshole with omnipotent power would.

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What we're talking about, is a creator god, who specifically designed things like birth defects, cancer, natural disasters, etc.

God didn't design those things. Those are results of Sin, which God allowed, which makes him the cause of evil. Being the cause of evil (especially in this magnitude) makes you evil.

for sure
god is bad at he job (i want be nice here)

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God didn't design those things. Those are results of Sin, which God allowed, which makes him the cause of evil. Being the cause of evil (especially in this magnitude) makes you evil.

What created sin, then? Because if god created everything, he must have also created the concept of morality.

Anyway, even if god somehow didn't create evil, and morality just "is", god still allows evil to happen, even when he knows he can stop it. (As you said.) Kind of like a school teacher seeing a bully pick on a kid, but doing nothing about the situation.

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So, what your saying is this: First there was nothing... Then something came into the universe and evoled into what we see now!
How does Nothing evole into Something?
Your theory is much more believeble then God creating everything! (Sarcasm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkc7ToYsTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabNtlLfYyU

it is possible that it is much more believed then you think it is, if you really believe in god so much, why don't you come up with some actual prove with out using the bible as your information source?
also where did god come from? how did he create the universe? lol

i don't really get why it so hard to understand that there was *a time when there was no time*
if you look at the universe/big bang as a video(just as an example of how the universe works), you'll see that there is some sort of a timeline, there is a beginning, and an end, if you start on point on the timeline and then rewind time as much as possible you will get to a point on the video where you no longer can rewind time, that is because there simply was no time before the video(or *big bang*) started (obvious)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkc7ToYsTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabNtlLfYyU

it is possible that it is much more believed then you think it is, if you really believe in god so much, why don't you come up with some actual prove with out using the bible as your information source?
also where did god come from? how did he create the universe? lol

i don't really get why it so hard to understand that there was *a time when there was no time*
if you look at the universe/big bang as a video(just as an example of how the universe works), you'll see that there is some sort of a timeline, there is a beginning, and an end, if you start on point on the timeline and then rewind time as much as possible you will get to a point on the video where you no longer can rewind time, that is because there simply was no time before the video(or *big bang*) started (obvious)

Perhaps Time is God, and since time is always against me... evil

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I don't understand how can someone think that if there is a god, it's good, it's love. Look around you: the base of life is suffering. Everything kill for living. And us, we always need a target to reach; so it means we are not complete, and we suffer cause we feel a lack. Dafaq? Why should something have created such a terrible thing? I admit I'm happy, but I can't say I'm 100% happy, and I think I never will. So what the hell? It doesn't make sense!

I'm gonna use the Bible for this because I alone make mistakes and I do ask questions like this too. 1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." This is why I believe that God isn't evil.

Also, according to the bible, the basis for life is described in Genesis 1:28 "God blessed them and said to them, 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.'"

So yeah, human suffering didn't initially exist. When God created Adam and Eve, he gave them free will but only one rule, which was not to eat from a certain tree. They did, however, so their disobedience brought sin (separation from God) into the world. In Genesis 3:15-17 God punishes them for their actions. He does this like a parent would to his child. Through Adam and Eve's actions, suffering is brought into the world.

I personally don't know what I'd do if I was 100% happy and satisfied with everything. Even in the basis for life above, we still had a target to reach, which was to rule and increase.

I hope we could expand on this topic :]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkc7ToYsTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabNtlLfYyU

it is possible that it is much more believed then you think it is, if you really believe in god so much, why don't you come up with some actual prove with out using the bible as your information source?
also where did god come from? how did he create the universe? lol

i don't really get why it so hard to understand that there was *a time when there was no time*
if you look at the universe/big bang as a video(just as an example of how the universe works), you'll see that there is some sort of a timeline, there is a beginning, and an end, if you start on point on the timeline and then rewind time as much as possible you will get to a point on the video where you no longer can rewind time, that is because there simply was no time before the video(or *big bang*) started (obvious)

Hey Focus. The Bible says in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." It would be impossible for any christian to prove God without using the word of God (Bible), because it says that the word of God is God. Also, it says that God was here from the beginning.

My thoughts would be that the Bible implies that there was never a period of time where nothing existed, and that God was there before nothing had a chance to exist.

I also watched your videos. I would like to receive some clarity on the videos as I have to go to sleep now. Hope I don't offend you or anyone who reads this I'm just sharing some food for thought

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Perhaps Time is God, and since time is always against me... evil

xD