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They can die, they're just capable of reverting back to sexual immaturity. As far as I know none have been observed to live for very long because of it.

Quote from Zed

This post is a thing of beauty for so many reasons. And English isn't even your first language.


Firstly I would like to reject your Anselm-ian (Anselmic? Anselmsational?) definition of omnipotence in favour of a Cartesian one: An omnipotent being is a being which is capable of doing anything logically possible. It cannot draw a round square or a square circle because these things are nonsense by definition. It can only do that which is comprehensible.

By Kant's conception of morality such a being would still be bound by ethics. The moral law was true by definition and discoverable through logic, hence it is inconceivable that any being should not be bound by it.

As for which ethical system we should hold such a being subject to; there are some things which would be considered immoral under any system so we could check to see if any of those things occur in nature.



Not even going off on a tangent here - I'm pretty sure my train of thought has jumped the tracks completely:

An all powerful being, by either of our standards, has the ability to tell us what is right and what is wrong. Clearly, however, we disagree about a number of things. Even murder and rape aren't condemned universally. Therefore the all powerful being has decided not to give us a clear view on morality. If he was good then obviously he would have told us the difference between right and wrong so that we could do right and avoid wrong, so we can rule out the ominpotent being being good. If he was actively evil, however, I think we could safely say that things would be worse. You can imagine a world where after a man's seventh orgasm his penis drops off and he dies from blood loss. Therefore we can rule out a malevolent God. The only remaining option is one who doesn't care about us.

Or maybe an incompetent God works. I'm not 100% sure if it's consistent with omnipotence, but you can imagine something like a really advanced video game where you play God and can technically do anything in this virtual world but you might not be a very good player.

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For example a rapist, doesn't a person who is heartless enough to force women and children to have sex with him for his own personal pleasure, and then kill them, therefore making him a murderer too, deserve to be killed or sent to hell?

I conclude with all this that God is fair. He treats us on how we deserve to be treated from both a religious and humane point of view.
God is even more than fair he is good, since if you look at it that way, God made us live, can you repay him for what he had given you, on the contrary he is giving you even more. Everything you own is from God. You should at least be grateful by doing what he says.

Quote from Leokill

In heaven, everyone is supposed to be happy, but what if you can't be happy without your family and the rest of your family (and most of the population in the world) is burning in hell, forever. How can you be happy and love god while knowing this? (Unless in heaven, you don't have free will or proper judgement on things, in which case the point of giving man free will in the first place would have been pointless and malicious.) And in general a god who creates things just to torture the majority of them seems kind of like a cosmic douchebag and not the malevolent entity he makes himself out to be. "Worship me or I'll fuck you up!" Then you do and he goes: "Oh yes, I spared you from my wrath. I am a merciful god indeed."

Quote from Lian Avenant

Your debate is very useless...

God, made the world the perfect place for us to live in peace.
But then we, wanted more and did the one thing God did not want us to do. (Adam and Eve)
Then God punished us for our sins.

Our world could still be perfect and awesome. If we all work together!
But it is not God that makes us suffer. It is the problems you and other people gives.
We pollute, steal, murder, swear and make the world a living hell for everybody around us!

If we all could behave, then we all would be 100 happy!

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Earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes (subcategory: tornadoes), tsunamis, land/mudslides, flooding, drought, forest fires, fucking wasps, avalanches, blizzards, quicksand/tar pits, Australia, meteors, lightning, cosmic radiation, sunburn, malaria.

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If creating matter or energy is impossible, and a god cannot do anything outside of logic, then a god couldn't have even created the universe.

Quote from Ahmad9383

This all is from an atheist point of view I believe, or are you religious?

Anyway, God has given us a clear view on what is right and wrong, that is called religion. The thing that might be brought up is, that there are different religions, so one cannot be sure which one is right, and which is wrong, or has been rewritten by mortals as time went by which falsified it, therefore God gave us another set of rules, which is another religion.

So which religion you follow or not follow currently depends on your point of view of what is right and wrong, and how deeply you think.

Quote from Moderator

EXACTLY!! EXACTLY WAS I WAS THINKING! Become a Christian, behave, look to God, and everything's good.

Quote from Leokill

If creating matter or energy is impossible, and a god cannot do anything outside of logic, then a god couldn't have even created the universe.

Quote from Draves

Very limited point of view of you got there... That's the problem with this kind of people like you. I'm not saying religion is a bad thing but people should have a big spectrum of how they see things, I mean you should not just refer to one source and strongly believe in it, you should be flexible and open to other viewpoints.

Quote from Leokill

Get back in line, sheep. Don't question god or think for yourself. Just do what you're told, keep your blindfold on and everything will go smoothly. Be a good little sheep, won't you?