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Anyway, God has given us a clear view on what is right and wrong, that is called religion. The thing that might be brought up is, that there are different religions, so one cannot be sure which one is right, and which is wrong, or has been rewritten by mortals as time went by which falsified it, therefore God gave us another set of rules, which is another religion.

So which religion you follow or not follow currently depends on your point of view of what is right and wrong, and how deeply you think.


I conclude with all this that God is fair. He treats us on how we deserve to be treated from both a religious and humane point of view.
God is even more than fair he is good, since if you look at it that way, God made us live, can you repay him for what he had given you, on the contrary he is giving you even more. Everything you own is from God. You should at least be grateful by doing what he says.

These are really good answers in my opinion. Pretty much sums up my ideas and thoughts. People has different ideals and views, which is good thing. Thinking a world where everything would follow the same lead would feel quite grey and blank, compared to the world that is now.

It's also hard to say what is wrong and whats right, or whose life is good or bad, since there are always more than just view. For example a person that has a lot of things such as a kickass car, stereos, awesome looking clothes and a neat lifestyle but not a loving family or close friends. (this can go the other way round, too.) And the question would be that does he have a good life. There can be different views because we are not the same.

Of course there are things that are wrong in everyones opinion as well right things.

But I think its impossible to a thing to exist without a counterpart. If there is "good" without "evil", the "good" will lose its meaning. It's like if you would be happy all the time, would it feel the same as if you would feel sad at some point?

Back to topic, so is God evil? I think not. Like Ahmad said, God made us live and he gave us some directions and options to choose from. If he would force us to do things, would we feel like puppets? It's up to us how we play our cards, which He gave to us.

This isn't a correct answer. It's just to make the debate go on and to tell my own feelings and ideas about the stuff. Also, I'm not good at writing and my English probably has a lot flaws. Feel free to correct me. :D

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I don't believe in a god so it's kind of hard to say it's evil, and I also don't believe in the concept of evil, but still, if there is a god, it can't be a nice one. "Giving us" life and then demanding we do as it says is petty, and should be beneath a being who is all powerful. This god doesn't own anyone, I don't think that anybody should give themselves up as easily as that.

And of course, I'll just repeat the (still unanswered I might add) question of why this god allows natural disasters, diseases, accidents, etc.

It's an advice for us because human being so rude,full of darkness,humans don't really grateful for what we received.It's an advice okay??That is why accidents,disasters happened.If everything we received such as earthquake or any disasters,just accept it.God knows everything.We can repay what god gave us with doing what god ask us to do.I agree with Ahmad's answer.

4 choices-Islam,Christian,Buddha or Hindu??

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how dare you not say islam is fuck

Shut up.

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how dare you not say islam is fuck

What?what do we islam do that make u say that?

Yeah.I dunno what makes 2-D being so rude.I don't know what is happening.Just relax Shadow.Be patient.

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I don't really know where to begin. Before we get into the bulk of your points I'd like to suggest not quoting a post which has already been refuted and then saying "I agree with this" unless you can reject the refutation.

These are really good answers in my opin

ion. Pretty much sums up my ideas and thoughts. People has different ideals and views, which is good thing. Thinking a world where everything would follow the same lead would feel quite grey and blank, compared to the world that is now. [/QUOTE]

Letting people know what is right and what is wrong doesn't mean making everyone identical. A moral code is essentially the same as a legal system, but you don't find that everyone in civilised nations is exactly the same except the criminals.

It's also hard to say what is wrong and

whats right, or whose life is good or bad, since there are always more than just view. For example a person that has a lot of things such as a kickass car, stereos, awesome looking clothes and a neat lifestyle but not a loving family or close friends. (this can go the other way round, too.) And the question would be that does he have a good life. There can be different views because we are not the same. [/QUOTE]

It might not be possible (or at least, not easy) to compare everyone precisely and say whose life is best, but you can objectively say that some lives are worse than others. A child starving in Sudan whose parents have both been shot and whose baby sister has malaria could probably be said to have a lower quality of life than you or me. No one is arguing that there are perfect conditions for life and a loving God would have given them to us, but it is reasonably clear that some suffering does occur.

Of course there are things that are wron

g in everyones opinion as well right things.

But I think its impossible to a thing to exist without a counterpart. If there is "good" without "evil", the "good" will lose its meaning. It's like if you would be happy all the time, would it feel the same as if you would feel sad at some point?

Think back to how you felt a few minut

es ago (assuming nothing in particular was going on). I'm guessing you didn't feel particularly happy or sad. Most people, most of the time, feel absolutely neutral. There are moments of happiness (read: sex) and there are moments of suffering, but neither need the other to be understood. Happiness is happiness compared to the neutral point, sadness is sadness compared to the neutral point. If it makes it easier to understand, think of how you feel when you burn yourself vs how you feel right now vs how you feel when you're being tickled. You would still understand tickling if you had never been burned, but not being tickled wouldn't start to feel horrible.

Back to topic, so is God evil? I think n

ot. Like Ahmad said, God made us live and he gave us some directions and options to choose from. If he would force us to do things, would we feel like puppets? It's up to us how we play our cards, which He gave to us.[/QUOTE]

The point isn't to take away our choices, it's to let us know which choices are right and then see if we choose to do the right thing or not. I could offer you a dozen moral dilemmas off the top of my head. An omniscient omnipotent God should be able to give us the answers to these dilemmas, but he has not and that means that about 50% of the time things are going to be worse than if he had.

Your English was pretty good by the way.

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yOU CAN RESPECT SOMEONES VIEWPOINT, OR FOLLOW IT. I follow my CORRECT viewpoint, and view others. God says, "You shall have no Gods but me." Speaks for itself, there.

You obviously don't respect mine either. Also, do you mean your viewpoint is correct or just that YOU think it's correct?

he means his viewpoint is correct. but he only just thinks he is.

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yOU CAN RESPECT SOMEONES VIEWPOINT, OR FOLLOW IT. I follow my CORRECT viewpoint, and view others. God says, "You shall have no Gods but me." Speaks for itself, there.

You're having a discussion with people who don't believe in god, or anything he says in the bible.

If you want to try and relate your viewpoint to us, you need to use something other than the bible as your source of information. If you can't do that, then go away.

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I see. Well, I've never been good at telling my ideas when it comes to philosophical thinking. x)
And thanks for being polite. I appreciate that.

You cannot appreciate good without knowing evil

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You cannot appreciate good without knowing evil

I've never really believed this, but do you have a way of relating this to the topic assuming it's true?

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I don't understand how can someone think that if there is a god, it's good, it's love. Look around you: the base of life is suffering. Everything kill for living. And us, we always need a target to reach; so it means we are not complete, and we suffer cause we feel a lack. Dafaq? Why should something have created such a terrible thing? I admit I'm happy, but I can't say I'm 100% happy, and I think I never will. So what the hell? It doesn't make sense!

Soo...do u not want 2 exist? It sounds like ur not happy with life.....jk but whatever americia is doing in pakastan (or however u say it) dosent make since idk wats really going on there but I really wanna know why USA is there all they doin is causing more chaos.At least that's wat it seems like to me (MY OPPINION)<----typo but I don't care I fixed 6 typos alredy

That post literally contained no information.

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Your debate is very useless...

God, made the world the perfect place for us to live in peace.
But then we, wanted more and did the one thing God did not want us to do. (Adam and Eve)
Then God punished us for our sins.

Our world could still be perfect and awesome. If we all work together!
But it is not God that makes us suffer. It is the problems you and other people gives.
We pollute, steal, murder, swear and make the world a living hell for everybody around us!

If we all could behave, then we all would be 100 happy!

So short, yet the most correct post here.

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@Lian and Moderator, I repeat:



@ others:



To be fair, he only can't do the logically impossible. I think creating energy falls under the realm of physically impossible. If something is logically impossible then it's literally impossible to even think about it, but it is possible to imagine a perpetual motion machine.



It would take a separate thread to discuss my actual theological position. For all intents and purposes, yes, I'm an atheist.



Sooooo, you're saying my post was right and if there is a God he's either evil, uncaring, or incompetent? God could tell us clearly and simply what is right and wrong. If the ten commandments appeared overnight carved in a two mile high diamond cliff face then there would be no real question about it. The fact that people disagree about morality proves that there cannot be a good God.

umm no, read the rest of it.