i think it's selfish... just die without think about her three kid... she gotta be in some serious trouble to do that

It's damn selfish! You kill yourself without thinkin 'bout yer parents, any children u may have and wife/husbands....

I think its just sick how someone would take their own life, when people living in poverty would give anything to live another day!!

Think about that...

Well, I do not think it is selfishness.
People who suicide, probaby get screwed alot, or have alot of trouble. No luck, like that.
If you go suicide, trust me, you do think about your parents, and all people who love you.
You just hate your life so damn much that its no fun

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Exactly that.

It's a selfish act, but it's a cowards act at the same time.
There will always be somebody in a worse situation.

Maybe they're just messed up in the head though. In that case, it's for the best.

I had this debate with a friend of mine, because i was taking the piss out of some girl who hung herself with a tie. In before; BRB Blk parade, etc.
He thought it was wrong, i told him it was all jokes.

She killed herself just because of something she thought was true. She wasn't bullied, she was just a ****ing emo.
Her mother brought her up all those years, cared for her, just for her to kill herself?
Selfish.

Unless you literally can't live with yourself and what you are, then it's an act of a fool.
I must say, though, it's a difficult thing to take your own life. It's cowardly, but to just erase yourself from existence really isn't that easy.

even if you couldn't live with yourself, killing yourself really isn't worth it
-Cory's (2hed1's) Big bro =P

It'd be shellfish not to pull the trigga. Your logic is skewed.

Unfortunately a child of age 12 hung himself from our school recently, which has been quite a shock. However on the subject of "is it selfish," well to kill yourself you have to be of a certain disposition and as such I wouldn't say it's selfish, as when you're in that mindset you don't have the willpower to take other peoples feelings into consideration.

So no, usually I would say no, it is not selfish, however if someone does it with a sound mind (which is a ****ing ridiculous thing to do) then yes, it is.

Maybe sometimes being selfish is a good thing?

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Maybe sometimes being selfish is a good thing?

Vague hypotheticals don't mean much unless you elaborate and relate them to the subject of the debate.

Listen to Pirate, with his big words such as "hypotheticals" and "don't"...

As long as you are still alive, things can get better.

She had emotion problems, so I bet she was depressed about things all the time and couldn't handle the stress anymore.

Leaving her children like that is horrible. It is selfish to do that if you are leaving a 18 year old to take care of her other 2 siblings.

As long as you are still alive, things can get worse as well.

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Vague hypotheticals don't mean much unless you elaborate and relate them to the subject of the debate.

The vague hypotheticals can seem intelligent and deep.
But here's the deal, Jeremy and Mantha said a little about it earlier.

In the end, your life is exactly that. Your life. You have a responsibility towards yourself as well as others. Even though you should keep other people in mind, a person doing nothing but what other people wants him to is rarely a happy person.

Another thing is, we can really have no idea of what a person is thinking, have seen or done. Take this mom that killed herself, you guys say she's a coward, that she had a responsibility. However, you have no idea why she killed herself. None at all. Maybe she was just a single mom having minor troubles feeding all her kids or getting out of an unhealthy relationship. Or maybe her kids tortured her every night and raped her, as well as killing her husband. Most likely not, but point is, we have no idea.

"it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem." This is bullshit. Problems can be permanent as well. Who said life always have a happy ending?. If I became permanently paralyzed from the neck and down one day, as well as unable to speak or see, I think I'd like to die. Everything I enjoy in life is based on moving, talking or seeing. If I somehow killed myself and the news the next day said "DOCTOR FINDS CURE FOR EVERYTHING!" it would suck. But it's a chance I'd be willing to take. I'd rather die than live thirty years as a vegetable because I feel I have to try for the ones I love. Most likely it will be thirty painfully boring and wasted years.
In this case suicide would be selfish, it would be an act based solely on what I wanted myself. But in my opinion, not a bad thing to do, not morally wrong, again it's your own life.

Saying suicide is selfishness isn't covering enough. If a young boy takes his life because his girlfriend broke up with him, it's not selfishness, it's stupidity.
If a single mom with four kids finds the world to hard to handle and ends her life, it's cowardice.
If you sacrifice yourself to save the life of another, it's bravery.

Without knowing the circumstances and reason, we are no one to judge.

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As long as you are still alive, things can get worse as well.

Yes, but...let me use a example.

The movie, "The Mist" by Steven King was a horror surviving movie describing a guy and his son surviving "The Mist" monsters.

At the end; the guy, his son, guy's girlfriend, and 2 old people are stuck in the middle of the road in a car without fuel. He has a gun that has 4 bullets in it. He decides that there is no hope left for them, so he shoots all of them, including his son, leaving him alone.

He than hears a sound which he assumes that it is a monster. It turns out to be a horde of military cars and tanks coming by to find survivers. Horrible ending, very sad.

The whole point of that movie tells you "As long as your alive, things can get better"

Amen

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Yes, but...let me use a example.

The movie, "The Mist" by Steven King was a horror surviving movie describing a guy and his son surviving "The Mist" monsters.

At the end; the guy, his son, guy's girlfriend, and 2 old people are stuck in the middle of the road in a car without fuel. He has a gun that has 4 bullets in it. He decides that there is no hope left for them, so he shoots all of them, including his son, leaving him alone.

He than hears a sound which he assumes that it is a monster. It turns out to be a horde of military cars and tanks coming by to find survivers. Horrible ending, very sad.

The whole point of that movie tells you "As long as your alive, things can get better"

Amen

Oh, it's all clear to me now.

Listen, what does a movie prove? There's tons of movies where things go good in the end, there's some where everything goes to hell.

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Oh, it's all clear to me now.

Listen, what does a movie prove? There's tons of movies where things go good in the end, there's some where everything goes to hell.

I only used it as a example.

Anyways, to summarize everything that was posted...

Suicide is bad for you...mkay?