Suiside is cowardly because the "commiter" is too afraid too stick it out like the rest of us.
It is also selfish because they apperently did not think how much saddnes there leaving would cause.
Both seem to make us pity those that actully commit suiside, however we should not because it is a commitment that they will have to endure for eternity.

*Insert religious bash about them not having to endure it for eternity*

I think it's way more cowardish than selfish. Of course it's selfish, all you care about is yourself, not what other people will think. But suicidal emos are just too scared to face the truth. Just live on with whatever is your problem, it will go away eventually.

Well, It has been a week or so since it happened, and it appears as if the two older children that I know are doing fine. They seem to be doing ok and unless you actually knew what happened I don't think you could tell their mother killed herself just a couple of weeks ago. So I guess it's good news that they are handling it so well.

Would it be considered selfish if your daughter was murdered by her ex-boyfriend and your son died while driving up the hill to comfort his mother. The father and grandparents died years ago.

It's scary when this kind of stuff happens locally.

Way to go just completely off topic.

How is it a terrible thing to seek freedom from the confines of your existence as a lowly human in a world where nothing is how you want it to be and nothing can make you happy? I love how the word cowardice is thrown around like it means something. Cowardly is a word used by stubborn assholes who think it's a noble thing to feel pain and frustration, as long as you do it longer than the next guy. It's a word that describes a competitive, violent nature and people think it has value. :|

If you commit suicide, you're doing the world a favor, you're doing humanity a favor, and you're helping yourself. There is honestly no good reason to want to live on in the memories of your friends, family, co-workers, etc. It's a foolish thing to strive for since you'll have no way of appreciating it. You won't know whether it came true or not before you die, anyway. You and I are groups of trillions of cells that will fall apart someday and create new life. We're really not special at all. We're just reincarnations of past life in more complex forms. Slightly more complex. Suicide is selfish, yes. But what's so bad about that? What makes anyone else better than you? Why should you care what anyone thinks or feels? They're going to die one day, too, and none of it will matter. Who cares if your mother cries at your funeral? Not you; you're dead!

I don't mean to sound depressed or emo. I'm honestly fairly upbeat right now. I can't imagine why someone would want someone else to continue living, but that's just me. I think if anyone in the situation is selfish, it's the people who cry and wish the person hadn't done himself in. I mean, he's gone and doesn't have to put up with the shit that we have to put up with anymore. He's free now. The only reason people feel bad is because they have one less person to share their misery with. And it's so funny to read/hear people call it a selfish or cowardly thing to do. I feel like a coward because I haven't done it yet. Not to imply that I will, but the only reason I won't is because I'm too squeamish. And because, against my better judgement, I think there still might be a purpose to this life and I intend to find it. Or make one up. Either way...

You make some very good points, but what is the point in giving up. That is basicly what suicide is, giving up on life. There are tons of people in the world with way more problems then you. So why do you have the right to give up when there are people dealing with way more then you.

I belive this is selfish , completly.

Why? Well i will tell you.


See selfishness does what is says, you think about yourself. Most people don't understand this witch can be annoying. Of course there are many ways this could not be selfish. Somtimes people suicide for another , that would not be selfish at all. Now if you suicide because you think no one cares about you , that is selfish. You are to busy thinking about how others think about you , you cloud your mind only caring that you are liked... You shouldn't suicide ESPECIALLY if your a parent. Now your being selfish and UNFAIR. I mean why would you do this , you have two loving children (so well say) and you leave them , because now your killing yourself without caring about what will happen to your kids. As you can see we will not know if she suicided because of issues ,say being depressed about what she and others think about her, or if it had a good reason that involved helping another. Ontop of this arguement , perhaps she was poor? She would have been set in a sate of depression of course, but this gives her NO right to leave her children. The problem with todays society if your not in a 'click' , or don't have alot of money , you are shunned from it. Like Grilla said perhaps people are poor to only have one set of clothing. As a human we have a so called 'link' to each other (no im not crazy xD). If you have not noticed it is hard for one person to kill another. Now you might bring up the Zodiak or other famous killers. You must remmeber your not born to Hate , you must be taught it. Your not Born with power , you recieve it in time. It is selfish to think you can do somthing that you want to do , yet not care if the consiquences will affect other people. Many people today are selfish without knowing so , heck I most likely am to, But I am not selfish enough to do somthing that will HEAVLY affect others around me. My Family , friends , and even people I do not know. You should never do somthing so drastic , unless for a good purpose. Never for somthing that YOU want to do , that might badly affect some one else in life that has no reason to suffer from it

I completely agree with ogrilla.

Thanks for backing me up Jeremy... :)

I agree with your second post Ogrilla, but there are some things in the first that I find weird.

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If you commit suicide, you're doing the world a favor, you're doing humanity a favor

Why is this? Something really important to remember in life is that you can never be sure exactly what will happen next. Never. One person alone can do extremely much good for the world, as well as bad. That's why you can never know if you are doing anyone a favor if you kill yourself, maybe if you didn't you would be the one to save humanity from a space invasion?

I'd guess your argument is that the world is overcrowded or something along those lines, the world would be better of with one less depressed brat to care for. What difference will one person killing himself do? None. It won't help the starving people in Africa. Most likely it will have no effect on society at all. There will probably be a few mourning people left, and that's it. One person can do much good, or much bad. You can say that killing yourself may do the world a favor, but not that it will do the world a favor. You never know.

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There is honestly no good reason to want to live on in the memories of your friends, family, co-workers, etc. It's a foolish thing to strive for since you'll have no way of appreciating it.

This one I just disagree with. Most people wants to be remembered, in a good way. Even though they know they can't appreciate it. I don't think that's foolish, I think it's natural. If people rejoice when you die, it means you've been a jerk in life. Most people doesn't want to be a jerk. I know I don't. I know some people think it's cool be be cold and cynical, but seriously; You don't care if your mother cries in your funeral or not?

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I can't imagine why someone would want someone else to continue living, but that's just me.

This one beats me. Isn't there anyone that you would like to stay alive? That girl you've been dating lately, don't you care if she dies? There's a pretty simple reason for people to want someone else to continue living: They like them, they enjoy spending time with them. If you enjoy beeing with someone, you would obviously be sad if you couldn't be with them. I don't understand how you can't imagine that. Makes perfect sense to me.

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I agree with your second post Ogrilla, but there are some things in the first that I find weird.


Why is this? Something really important to remember in life is that you can never be sure exactly what will happen next. Never. One person alone can do extremely much good for the world, as well as bad. That's why you can never know if you are doing anyone a favor if you kill yourself, maybe if you didn't you would be the one to save humanity from a space invasion?

I'd guess your argument is that the world is overcrowded or something along those lines, the world would be better of with one less depressed brat to care for. What difference will one person killing himself do? None. It won't help the starving people in Africa. Most likely it will have no effect on society at all. There will probably be a few mourning people left, and that's it. One person can do much good, or much bad. You can say that killing yourself may do the world a favor, but not that it will do the world a favor. You never know.

Yeah, my argument would basically be that you won't know what happens in your next life, so to think that you'll somehow enjoy your influence on the world after you die is pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned.

This one I just disagree with. Most people wants to be remembered, in a good way. Even though they know they can't appreciate it. I don't think that's foolish, I think it's natural. If people rejoice when you die, it means you've been a jerk in life. Most people doesn't want to be a jerk. I know I don't. I know some people think it's cool be be cold and cynical, but seriously; You don't care if your mother cries in your funeral or not?

I'm not saying I don't care now, I'm saying I won't care when I die. But that's just me thinking logically. Obviously I think with my emotions a tad bit more than that statement would suggest.

This one beats me. Isn't there anyone that you would like to stay alive? That girl you've been dating lately, don't you care if she dies? There's a pretty simple reason for people to want someone else to continue living: They like them, they enjoy spending time with them. If you enjoy beeing with someone, you would obviously be sad if you couldn't be with them. I don't understand how you can't imagine that. Makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Wait I meant by that was you shouldn't stop someone from committing suicide simply because you don't want them to leave your life. It's infinitely more selfish than them extinguishing themself because you're not allowing them to reach paradise.(I define that as non-existence, but you can insert your own belief here)

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