The government doesn't kill you with cigarettes, what the fuck are you talking about? If you haven't noticed, the government has been making more and more restrictions on when/where you are allowed to smoke as time goes on. Tobacco products are sold by privately-owned companies anyway. I would appreciate if you would make a more well thought out argument than just a roundabout way of saying "no they don't"

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What kind of definition of harmless are you using, because pretty much every study ever done on marijuana shows that it impairs mental abilities like memory and coordination to some degree, and many studies show a link between marijuana use and adverse psychotic effects when it is used over a long period of time. I would consider that a form of *harm*.

I never said that it was completely harm free, I said for the most part it was harmless because it's effects are not nearly as extreme in comparison to many legal/ illegal drugs sold and or distributed...
If you use marijuana in moderation for the most part it doesn't really cause much harm...
Those who constantly smoke weed or over do it of course get the bad effects, only a fucking idiot would really over do weed...

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What does "can be used by anyone" even mean? I don't see what kind of information you're trying to get across with that. Also, alcohol can be made by anybody. It's not fucking rocket science. There are entire online communities made for the sole purpose of discussing this activity, and there's a sizable amount of people who do it all the time.
Do you really think that the government doesn't care about things being harmful? I hope you don't really think that. Why do you think tobacco products can't be advertised on television anymore? Drugs found to be harmful are recalled all the time.

Weed is easy to plant and make... Like you can literally drop a few seeds in decent soil and it grows just like a weed and for average weed it doesn't even require really specific environments to grow in...
As long as you live in a decent environment with weather that isn't extreme and soil suitable for plant life you can pretty much grow decent weed...
Though some weed is hard to grow and or sensitive...

As for alcohol its not like you can easily produce it like you can with weed...
It's not super impossible to but it requires a decent amount of work and can't just be made in large quantities and be as easily made as weed...

Generally it's better to just buy from the companies who give out alcohol rather than just make your own...

If weed were to be legalized it would be pointless for big companies to sell weed because just about anyone can make themselves a garden... The government can't truly profit off of weed like it would other drugs because weed is not only not physically addictive but also can be grown easily by consumers so going to a big company for something you could plant yourself or get at your friend's house would be quite pointless...

And they may have gotten rid of cigarette ads but how come there are a bunch of alcohol advertisements on television? I personally never got the point of cigarette ads in the first place...

The kids outside my school with cigs in their mouth tell me a shit ton of reasons why they smoked but never said: "I SAW THIS COOL AD SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE COOL IF I DID IT TOO!!!"

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If you use marijuana in moderation for the most part it doesn't really cause much harm...

You didn't read my post

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If weed were to be legalized it would be pointless for big companies to sell weed because just about anyone can make themselves a garden... The government can't truly profit off of weed like it would other drugs because weed is not only not physically addictive but also can be grown easily by consumers so going to a big company for something you could plant yourself or get at your friend's house would be quite pointless...

There are enough people in America who wouldn't want to make their own weed that the government could profit off it. Look at alcohol. Ethanol fermentation is the most difficult thing you need to make your own beer, but millions of people still purchase beer.

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I was stating that it can create a form of addiction whether physical or chemical. Although apparently it isn't physically addictive which this I was unaware of.

Yes I've smoked marijuana

you sound like a dare officer

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What kind of definition of harmless are you using, because pretty much every study ever done on marijuana shows that it impairs mental abilities like memory and coordination to some degree, and many studies show a link between marijuana use and adverse psychotic effects when it is used over a long period of time. I would consider that a form of *harm*.
Whether physical effects like lung damage, heart problems, etc. can be caused by marijuana is kind of inconclusive, but inconclusive isn't the same thing as definitely not.

anything you smoke is harmful. if you vape, or eat it, it is harmless.

I honestly don't see a problem as long as its used responsibly. Which it wont be.
As in:
Not during school or in learning spaces. (Including going to class high)
Not during work.
Not while taking care of a child or in a public place with children. Besides that I dont care.

It takes you out of a normal state of mind which may not be the best for taking care of a child. Being high at school may not be the best for learning. And being high at work could slow production, or cause issues with your job. Other than that, i dont care really about the drug. Its like alcohol, you can drink it, its legal, but you cant be drunk at school or work, cant drink and drive, and being drunk while taking care of a kid has caused ALOT of issues. Sure weed isnt as bad as alcohol, but should still be used in moderation.

But i guess as a young adult 21+ at home with his buddies, not a parent just hanging out theres no problem.

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The government doesn't kill you with cigarettes, what the fuck are you talking about? If you haven't noticed, the government has been making more and more restrictions on when/where you are allowed to smoke as time goes on. Tobacco products are sold by privately-owned companies anyway. I would appreciate if you would make a more well thought out argument than just a roundabout way of saying "no they don't"

lol if all you got from that was "no they dont" then you need to pay more attention. government could shut down cigarettes anytime they want but they dont because all the money comes back around to them. weed is easy to make so big companies cant take all the business. thats probably why it was made illegal. its easy to get away with breaking the law (selling drugs) when you own the law. so weed being illegal doesnt matter to them. farmers stealing there business, does.

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government could shut down cigarettes anytime they want but they dont because all the money comes back around to them.

LOL NO. It's because they are smart enough to understand that prohibition doesn't work. That's why all of these states are legalizing marijuana, because prohibition does NOT work.

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I honestly don't see a problem as long as its used responsibly. Which it wont be.
As in:
Not during school or in learning spaces. (Including going to class high)
Not during work.
Not while taking care of a child or in a public place with children. Besides that I dont care.

It takes you out of a normal state of mind which may not be the best for taking care of a child. Being high at school may not be the best for learning. And being high at work could slow production, or cause issues with your job. Other than that, i dont care really about the drug. Its like alcohol, you can drink it, its legal, but you cant be drunk at school or work, cant drink and drive, and being drunk while taking care of a kid has caused ALOT of issues. Sure weed isnt as bad as alcohol, but should still be used in moderation.

But i guess as a young adult 21+ at home with his buddies, not a parent just hanging out theres no problem.

this pretty much sums up how i feel about legalizing weed.

i find myself feeling the need to post this again, as a lot of people here are spewing out baseless theories as to why cannabis was made illegal in the first place

reasons why marijuana is illegal

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Not during school or in learning spaces. (Including going to class high)
Not during work.
Not while taking care of a child or in a public place with children. Besides that I dont care.

basically the same rules as alcohol, yes.

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I honestly don't see a problem as long as its used responsibly. Which it wont be.
As in:
Not during school or in learning spaces. (Including going to class high)
Not during work.
Not while taking care of a child or in a public place with children. Besides that I dont care.

It takes you out of a normal state of mind which may not be the best for taking care of a child. Being high at school may not be the best for learning. And being high at work could slow production, or cause issues with your job. Other than that, i dont care really about the drug. Its like alcohol, you can drink it, its legal, but you cant be drunk at school or work, cant drink and drive, and being drunk while taking care of a kid has caused ALOT of issues. Sure weed isnt as bad as alcohol, but should still be used in moderation.

But i guess as a young adult 21+ at home with his buddies, not a parent just hanging out theres no problem.

why is it hard to take care of a kid while high? kids practically take care of themselves these days

To be honest it should be okay....for people over a certain age.... mainly because many kids at my highschool are constantly smoking and you can smell it. It smells terrible XP And if it was legal for any age i would DIE in school. But it does have some bad effects. It annoys me how people that are pro-weed constantly say "IT'S JUST A PLANT" Well last time i checked most "just plants" didn't ruin lives. -_____-
But that is just my opinion. :D

the only way weed ruins lives is when someone says 'you can't do that' and fines you/throws you in jail

I've argued this so many times for so long now. Living in CA and dealing with this situation back and forth for so long now, and the 'medical facilities' that spatter our town just make a mockery of the whole thing. I truly believe that it has its purposes as well as many medical benefits. But in a town of 80k people and 34 facilities, some not even 2 buildings apart really make it all just a joke.

I could honestly say, that if they found a cure for cancer, that there wouldn't be as many dispensaries as their are for weed here in CA. Like I said, I truly believe that it has medicinal purposes as well as other benefits, but the way people have treated it I think disrespect those purposes. If you're going to call it medical just to cover up recreational use, then just legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

At this point, I'd want it legalized just so people would stop talking about it so damn much and get on with our lives.


Once again, the above might seem excessive, but its coming from someone who has had this on the subject matter of the news, TV, paper and all other outlets of social communications for a couple years now. I'm over the subject. If the masses want it legalized, it doesn't seem OVERLY harmful, just legalize it and lets get over it. Which is a lot for me to say, having been an advocate of not legalizing it for so long.

EDIT: on an un-related note - 2-d is that muscle man in your sig?

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If you're going to call it medical just to cover up recreational use, then just legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

uhh.. thats what they're trying to do.. one step at a time

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EDIT: on an un-related note - 2-d is that muscle man in your sig?

its Big Destiny chillin, wasteland style.

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Actually, one marijuana joint has the chemical effect and dangers of roughly 4-7 cigs.
And I heard that marijuana makes you go into bliss, but enough will give you a terrible feeling fire in your lungs and head, with an even worse hangover than alcohol, and it easily stunts your brain growth worse than alcohol.
But don't take my opinion- ask a democrat.
but seriously, ask a doc before you post your opinions on this thread.

"i heard.." stopped listening right there.