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Agreed. It would save us a lot of time.

On the other hand, I've been thinking of some ground rules for clan wars.

1. The number of participants of both clans will be determined beforehand.

2. The opponents of each participant will be determined by "drafting", which would be choosing a number to set a spot in the roster. (Ex: Imaging 6 participants, guy no.1 chooses 4, and guy no.2 chooses 3, they fight each other in block B, having three blocks)

3. The victory or loss in clan wars count as an individual win/loss as well.

4. If there are an even number of people, and the win/loss ratio is even, the representative from each clan will do a tie-breaker. How to determine the representative is up to the participants.

Still basic, but I think this would be fair.

So the leader of the clan does not battle unless there is a tie?
That seems kind of unfair to that person, if they want to battle.
And something that may work is that they both have the same amount.
Someone with 6 people fights a group with 4, they can do at max 4, but choose any number below that.

No, the leader WILL fight, it's just that both leaders will negociate the necessaries of the war.

Your idea sounds like a good one when a clan wants to keep the war short.

Some random ideas, then;

What I stated before, both groups having the same amount of people (an agreed upon number).

Limitless clans would work for this, since they could agree on any number.

Two different battle modes. Draw pick (random picks on the battlers by drawing their names [or using a randomizer]) and draft, where the leader says who is a part of the battle. Also agreed on by each battler.

And another idea; only put in as many people in your clan as can battle. If there are several people who never get to battle, that clan should be reduced in numbers.

EDIT: to be clear, I mean never as in there have been several opportunities, but they are not allowed.

Quote from iarentevil

Some random ideas, then;

What I stated before, both groups having the same amount of people (an agreed upon number).

Limitless clans would work for this, since they could agree on any number.

Two different battle modes. Draw pick (random picks on the battlers by drawing their names [or using a randomizer]) and draft, where the leader says who is a part of the battle. Also agreed on by each battler.

And another idea; only put in as many people in your clan as can battle. If there are several people who never get to battle, that clan should be reduced in numbers.

EDIT: to be clear, I mean never as in there have been several opportunities, but they are not allowed.

Agreed. I believe we should make an official thread for this. Who would be able to do that?

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Agreed. I believe we should make an official thread for this. Who would be able to do that?

Isn't anyone allowed to make a thread like that, as long as they are willing to keep up with it?
That;s what I thought the rules were.

Far be it for me to discourage everyone in this thread who has their sights set on clan warring, I really think it should be a standalone event before we start making official rules for it as a mandatory thing. I feel like making guidelines for Clan Wars would just ultimately goad people into making clans just to fight with each other, which if you believe, isn't what we intend to do around here. I know some people hate fighting and others think it is 50/50 for fighting and storywriting respectively, so I'm just trying to balance it out for them all.

Bottom line, if you want a clan war to happen, then just get it started because no one else is going to hold your hands on this. We'll worry about how to record/award it afterwards. Make the mods believe that such a thing can happen successfully, and they will see that there is a market for things like this, and probably support it next time.

Btw, why not just put the clan win count in the hall of warriors as a sub-entry. That way, acutelatios won't have to manage 2 threads at once. 2 threads is also a bit much, especially for something that as we have established is probably not going to be a thing yet due to its infancy. We also need acute's opinion on this.

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Far be it for me to discourage everyone in this thread who has their sights set on clan warring, I really think it should be a standalone event before we start making official rules for it as a mandatory thing. I feel like making guidelines for Clan Wars would just ultimately goad people into making clans just to fight with each other, which if you believe, isn't what we intend to do around here. I know some people hate fighting and others think it is 50/50 for fighting and storywriting respectively, so I'm just trying to balance it out for them all.

Bottom line, if you want a clan war to happen, then just get it started because no one else is going to hold your hands on this. We'll worry about how to record/award it afterwards. Make the mods believe that such a thing can happen successfully, and they will see that there is a market for things like this, and probably support it next time.

Btw, why not just put the clan win count in the hall of warriors as a sub-entry. That way, acutelatios won't have to manage 2 threads at once. 2 threads is also a bit much, especially for something that as we have established is probably not going to be a thing yet due to its infancy. We also need acute's opinion on this.

All right. It does seem like a hassle to handle 2 threads, so we'll wait until acute responds.

I wasnt really talking about how to record them as much as the rules behind how to start them :|

I think it's pretty free to pioneer at this point.

One quick thing though, noticed Leader VS Leader mentioned as a must in what I was skimming, but something to bear in mind is that we write stories. For example:

Team A has declared war on Team B

They will be assaulting their base, as discussed between the writers of both clans
Team B, although off guard, does have defenses in place, just for such an occasion.

Now, let's say Leader A is a Fire Elemental, and Leader B is a water mage.
Leader B is also a heavy aggressor, personally leading the assault, while A is more of a strategist.
Team A also has an assassin type person.
Being a strategy smart type guy, Leader A would likely see he'd be in a tough spot, and rather than bet his clan on his balls, he'd probably turn to his assassin and go "Hey bro, isolate their boss."

So, in summery, my two cents is collaborate with the enemy for a general plot considering the character development you have thus far. Find the match ups that way, and take it from there. Best case scenario, wins are cannon regardless who's clan, so if you take this route your settings should be similar, so they would make sense for further stories.

Also, if you want something to happen, make it. Set the example, nothing's stopping you.

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I wasnt really talking about how to record them as much as the rules behind how to start them :|

these are all connected events. you cant just say "we want a clanwar league" and expect the scores to go nowhere.

I never said anything about a league though :|
I was just seeing about rules to wRHG clan battles as a whole...
Anyway you won't have scores to go anywhere if you don't have rules to abide by, can you?

I think it was said earlier that if the clan wins (and loses) that those wins and losses go to their characters in the Hall of Warriors? I discourage this for a clan war is more of a collaboration of clan vs clan rather than individual fights. IF they fight one another, it shouldn't be a bunch of people 1v1ing each other. It should be as Crank said, a whole planned out story. It should look like the enemy wrote one battle and the you wrote the other and we vote on the best one. Not 3 minor battles and 3 other battles and we have to read 6 different stories to figure out who won.

On that not I would also eliminate the fact that I once said: if there's a clan of 7 and a clan of 4, that it should be 4v4. I think it can be 7v4. If you go to war, you're not going to leave your forces behind are you? It would actually make the 4-team have a challenge, but what it comes down to is writing. I believe the 4-team will be able to pull out a win against 7 if they write a whole lot better than them. So... yeah. 10c opinions.

The issue with colpab works is primarily timezones, but also differences in style. It's why my attacks on clans (which counts as 1vWhatever) never seem to work. While I can write out fighting them all by myself, I only have to worry for myself. They have to worry about other members, general storytelling, character entry and participation, etc. Then, in the story, they'll still probably take on one opponent each, or at most two.

That's why it generally makes more sense for a bunch of battles versus one huge battle.

Honestly dearies, I think being that we're much different to our animating counterpart we should approach this a different way, but before that, question first why you want a war in the first place. If you're thinking it's fun or it's cool or you want to do it first, then think again. To encourage activity in the clan? That's good and all but that's not what clan wars should just be about. I don't know why, but the thought of clan wars being exactly like battles just makes me feel bad. I just feel that it should be something much more than a simple skirmish between two groups of writers. Something much more grand than that.

Think about what a clan is, what it's about. It's not just special VIP groups where certain writers can be a part of is it? It's a place where it would help you become a better writer and possibly help you bring some flavour to your gladiator and their storyline, pushing their stories to make them into interesting characters and develop them more.

I sort of want clan wars not just be a simple battle where you gain just some experience in writing, but to be an event where everyone would be involved in creating a huge and amazing story together. A collaboration together as two clans not individual ones. I mean just think about what you could do together! There's just honestly so much things you could do as a huge group that affects every single one of your gladiators. You guys could create a huge arc where everyone is part of, just like how comic books has crossovers between two or more heroes handling a problem that they can't do by themselves, or how their enemies are causing problems in another's turf and they team up to taking them down. It doesn't have to be about gladiators fighting one another on a larger scale. Make it interesting! Spice it up with some sort of plot that somehow involves everyone!

There's just honestly so much potential being wasted if people don't think out of the realms of duels. Think of the alliances you could forge with one another, or the rivals you all could become, the relationships that could happen, and have an awesome story to show why! I'm getting excited just thinking about ideas of clan war plots that could happen, but a little disappointed to see people not thinking clan wars as something more than just a war, but something more unique and amazing.

That's my thought about it though, whether you guys think about what I typed it's up to you all. I'm more than willing to keep the scores for the clan wars if you all decide to keep going with what you had though. However only after you all manage to accomplish it.


That's all~
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