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So what about Australia, they have almost everything Obama is trying to enforce, and even though they still have crime, they have no right to bear arms, and have less crime than we have.
Austalia: .14/100,000 deaths by firearm. 15/100 citizens own guns. 11.5% Homicides by gun.
'Merica: 2.97/100,000 deaths by firearm. 88/100 citizens own guns. 60% homicides by gun..

Did you consider the difference in population for the continent?
australia has only about 22 million people, The USA alone has about 312 million.
its not that they're more peaceful, its that they don't have as many people. It wouldn't make sense if a smaller continent/country, with less people, had a larger crime rate than a larger, and more populated country.

and having a gun on a teacher doesn't seem like a good thing, For me it might give kids a sense of insecurity, because they know the teachers have guns, and guns can harm; from a child's point of view.
maybe if they have permits, but if they make a law that lets teachers degrees pass for a permit or something, that would be outrageous.

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Did you consider the difference in population for the continent?
australia has only about 22 million people, The USA alone has about 312 million.

That's why the statistic was per 100,000 people, instead of raw totals.

Alex Jones really didn't help gun owners now did he? He should have listened more.

Giving a weapon for anyone untrained to use is a bad idea. Especially if their specific reason for it is to protect students. Get police officers at the school, mine has those. Having someone trained, and not tasked with teaching the students, to hold the weapons in case of the highly unlikely event of a shooting is better I'd think. If anything having all teachers own weapons on the premises could cause more violence.

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Giving a weapon for anyone untrained to use is a bad idea. Especially if their specific reason for it is to protect students. Get police officers at the school, mine has those. Having someone trained, and not tasked with teaching the students, to hold the weapons in case of the highly unlikely event of a shooting is better I'd think. If anything having all teachers own weapons on the premises could cause more violence.

I Agree with you there Apple, however we cannot just let kids go to school knowing what could happen. I say have trained personnels roaming the perimeter of the school of stationed outside with some form of significant identification and they should also be concealed weapons not visible to scare the kids or let the drugged up fools know you're ready for them and they just take you out. It should be hidden just for the element of surprise

Too expensive. There are about 50,000,000 children in US schools, of which, say, 20 are killed each year. I'm not in the mood to look up actual figures. That means a mortality rate of 1 in 2.5 million. One police officer presumably has a salary of $30-40k. Lets say we pay him 30 since he's really not doing much. Average school size around 800 kids? That means one police officer per 800 which means 2,500,000/800= 3125 police officers = $93,750,000 to prevent one death. You would save more than one life if you put that $94m into healthcare.

And that's nowhere near the military-level security that straightkilla wants.

I think that all that needs to be done is the confiscation and banning of assault rifles and shotguns. What actual uses have they got? It seems like some people are trying to argue in favor of giving maniacs guns.

Yeah, anything militarized should probably be withheld. Concealed weapons should be fine anywhere if permits are treated properly, hunting rifles and shotguns should be acceptable in the home or on the range only.

But honestly, I don't feel like there's much of a need for firearms in the school. In my opinion, the furthest we should go are nonlethal alternatives like pepper spray or stun guns. Enough to knock someone cold or make them cry blood for thirty minutes, but nothing compared to a bullet to the chest, though I'm pretty sure I've said this already.

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I think that all that needs to be done is the confiscation and banning of assault rifles and shotguns. What actual uses have they got?

Assault rifles are already banned, and shotguns are primarily used for bird hunting and sport shooting.

Rifles (not assault rifles) and shotguns accounted for 9% of the gun homicides in 2005. How the hell does that make you think banning them is "all that needs to be done"?

so you those stupid dudes are saying that the best protection against people who rage and kill people cause of easy gun access should put even more guns easily accesible to public...

and what about a student who steals a teachers gun to solve a problem with a bully or something

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so you those stupid dudes are saying that the best protection against people who rage and kill people cause of easy gun access should put even more guns easily accesible to public...

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people who rage and kill people cause of easy gun access

..you think having access to a gun is going to turn a normal person into a murderous lunatic?

I seriously don't understand where you guys come up with this shit.

Life is not an Elder Scrolls game. Stealing someone's gun is not as easy as crouching behind them and pressing 'e'.

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I think that all that needs to be done is the confiscation and banning of assault rifles and shotguns. What actual uses have they got? It seems like some people are trying to argue in favor of giving maniacs guns.

Shotguns are useful for keeping rodents away from crops/livestock. In Britain shotguns are much more common than handguns.