Quote from mysterybat

thank you very much for your explanation
I would try to improve


but I still figure out Mages are extremely difficult to use
in most games I played I would not use mages at all , and even without mages,I can still win the game
When I use mages, they are just too slow , and low health, so they will get killed easily when I move my mages near to my enemy to use spells
For example, when I want to spell an electric wall to kill albowtross, they just kill my mage before I spell, or just move back a little bit is enough to escape through the wall

and the reason for me to confuse whether ninja or spearton is better is that I use ninja very often and think ninnja is better
but when I watch the replays of other players who have rating 2k+ , very few of them use ninja, most of them use speartons instead...

Well I have some mage tips if ya want to look at them, Mages can turn the tides of battle if you use them right :)
Magikill Tips

Quote from mysterybat

thank you very much for your explanation
I would try to improve


but I still figure out Mages are extremely difficult to use
in most games I played I would not use mages at all , and even without mages,I can still win the game
When I use mages, they are just too slow , and low health, so they will get killed easily when I move my mages near to my enemy to use spells
For example, when I want to spell an electric wall to kill albowtross, they just kill my mage before I spell, or just move back a little bit is enough to escape through the wall

and the reason for me to confuse whether ninja or spearton is better is that I use ninja very often and think ninnja is better
but when I watch the replays of other players who have rating 2k+ , very few of them use ninja, most of them use speartons instead...

Ninjas are great for killing MMM, Magikill, Meric, Miners, but they have low hp and no armour.
Spearton costs less, is easier to transition into, and makes a solid choice as it can tank for archers.

The reason being, when you get into 1900+, you don't have time to not make units and go for mana, and the shinobi upgrades which makes ninja useful. Spearton is easier and much better.

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Also, mage is so important -> high tier games can be made or broken with spells. One blast can take out 10 or so archers, poison does so much DoT, E-Wall murders slow units and low health units. Learning to use a mage and how to micro it is very important 2k+.

Quote from BuddyLucky2

Well I have some mage tips if ya want to look at them, Mages can turn the tides of battle if you use them right :)
Magikill Tips

I have watched your guide before :)
however I am still finding ways to make a good use of Mages

your guide said that every type of army should at least have one mage
but I have met many players who simply get one ninja to kill my mage first , or use all his army to aim at my mage first before I spell .
So I can only use it when using a defensive strategy and have a wall ....

Also, may I ask how to use archer to back-shot continuously?
in the beginning of the game if I use sword or spearton to chase archer, they can just run and at the same time "back-shot" , which makes me suffer much damage
I don't know how to do that, when I use archer and get chased, I click retreat button and it simply run back without back-shot

Besides, sorry for having so many questions . :p

Guys, right now we have 999 threads and 29,399 posts. Lets get to 29,999 posts THEN break it ;p

huh...lol ^_^ also: I STARTED RANKING AGAIN :D This is really funny now ^_^

Quote from mysterybat

I have watched your guide before :)
however I am still finding ways to make a good use of Mages

your guide said that every type of army should at least have one mage
but I have met many players who simply get one ninja to kill my mage first , or use all his army to aim at my mage first before I spell .
So I can only use it when using a defensive strategy and have a wall ....

Also, may I ask how to use archer to back-shot continuously?
in the beginning of the game if I use sword or spearton to chase archer, they can just run and at the same time "back-shot" , which makes me suffer much damage
I don't know how to do that, when I use archer and get chased, I click retreat button and it simply run back without back-shot

Besides, sorry for having so many questions . :p

Hey, its ok ^_^ thats why we are here ^_^ for the "back-shooting":
At frst, it is called kiting, you do it by running away and while running you also hit ^_^ you simply use it with that technic: 1. select your archer/s 2. click to a location behind you, so they will go back 3. then click "G" for garrison, your archer will automatly shoot a shot 4. click again a location behind, and repeat it: G → click location (or better, call it run ways ^_^) → G → so on

Yeah, i know, got a bad explanation...but if you still dont understand how to kite, just look at some threads here....we got full of the "kiting"

EDIT: Also, to the one who watch the game between waseem and me...I wasnt the one who lagged O_O



But well...I dont care about rating etc...but i hate people who say hacker to the ones who arent hacker -_-

Quote from BuddyLucky2

Also take it from me...I knew this game since it came out, and it always has had quite a lag issue (even if you have an good internet)

I wouldn't say it has a lag issue. Maybe if you're buddy with his crap comp it's laggy, but not otherwise.

I suggest a "collision system" where if two units (enemy and yours) collide neither can advance. I say this as archers and personally without proper micro mages and even giants are useless b/c the enemy can just run past your ground forces (Swordwrath, Shadowrath and Speartons) and just decimate the squish-ier units and lower your chances. Only problem I see is possible coding issues and Shield-Wall would be op without a loooooot of raging swordwrath.

Also, don't underestimate Swordwrath. They do have less health, but the have the same firepower (more with rage), less price and more importantly, less population. Put the club on them and you can watch an army of little raging savages tear apart giants :)

Quote from mysterybat

I have watched your guide before :)
however I am still finding ways to make a good use of Mages

your guide said that every type of army should at least have one mage
but I have met many players who simply get one ninja to kill my mage first , or use all his army to aim at my mage first before I spell .
So I can only use it when using a defensive strategy and have a wall ....

Also, may I ask how to use archer to back-shot continuously?
in the beginning of the game if I use sword or spearton to chase archer, they can just run and at the same time "back-shot" , which makes me suffer much damage
I don't know how to do that, when I use archer and get chased, I click retreat button and it simply run back without back-shot

Besides, sorry for having so many questions . :p

Mage is pretty powerful, as their mage can turn the tide of the battle. Sadly, they are ONE-TIME-USE! Take it from me, Buddy's best apprentice. So use it with the following strat:
1. Explosion: Aim for tha archers/swordwraths/albas. Aim at spears? -_- It's kinda useless, unless they are less than 1 bar OR 3 or more are grouped together. But it's ill-advised due to lag and requires prediction of the units' walk path.
2. Poison Spray: A must. Why? Archers and albas. Plus, it has great range. Aim it diagonally (Buddy) to poison the largest amount. Commonly used before dying (Imma drag u down with poison >:U ) If it's a long map, sweet!
3. Electric Wall. Aim it where your mage is (since they're coming at you) and that will result in lots of HP reduction in em spears. Plus, free hits from other units in your army! :D

Well, 'tis my guide for suicidal mage. I mean, they hardly live IF the enemy has melee units. If they don't, have meatshield spear to protect your mage while other archers shoot. Here:
1. Cast spell, either resulting in a hit or enemy running WHICH gives your archers/albas free shots!
2. Repeat till runs out of spells.
3. Enemy attacks? You got meatshield!

As for melee...Well, like I said, that mage will die and if lucky, scores one spell. Unless that person is noob.

Anyway, to the ninja-spearton. Go spear. Quick attack speed, high HP, tank. Perfect. Lest the enemy spams albas (ninjas takes more hit to die than spears!). Then go ninjas. Did you know many ninjas RAPE IF they manage to hit the second time onwards? Use a lone spear to eat range attacks. The only reason ninjas are underused is because of archers, ninja's worse nightmare. (and swords in large swarms which is rare) Long story short, ninjas are weak against range and numbers, useful for weak-HP units/lone unit as mentioned and statue (remember to meatshield them~)
PS: Wait...Did I see early spearton? THE WORST STRAT OF ALL? Blasphemous!

i need help against chaos i cant seem to counter deads very well.
the opponent goes crawler bomber then techs into deads and poison guts
then im like damn no spears

You have found your problem.

Quote from pumuecils

i need help against chaos i cant seem to counter deads very well.
the opponent goes crawler bomber then techs into deads and poison guts
then im like damn no spears

yeah, my problem too :(

I have had that happen to me a couple of times<< it may just be just lost conn<< or other person may have cuased it and waits for opponent to get off 1st<< hence getting win<< but I have know clue<<

Quote from mysterybat

is this guy cheating?

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay3732657&version=1.81

I lose in the beginning without any movement

I get that a lot. Almost every time it is right about when the tower is being taken. I think due to that consistency it is a glitch. By the way, your archers look like butterflies. :D







Edit to add:

So I have noticed lately advanced players playing in the lobby with an alt in the lower ranks. You can always tell who they are cause when you meet them at the tower they are standing at the top or bottom of the map. I'm guessing this is a way to get the first strike. Anyway. The next thing that happens is you are powned in a matter of a few minutes. What is the draw for creating an alt to build it's rating?

naw that has no effect on who gets the first hit at all. and if they are alts, chances are they would do more impressive things than standing at the top or bottom of the map.