Zeta brand is awesome, BTW stone have you ever being in a clan?
I think we need more mods for the RHG section in general. When will the new core team mods announced?
I was a total noob 3 years ago when I started animating with pivot but now look at me, you don't even have to be in a clan to have your friends on the forum help you improve.
We could have like teacher - student programs, where a pro animator takes an intermediate or noob animator and helps them grow and develop as an animator

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I'd also like to add something n8ster raised ages ago in that same thread. Is that these days, clans are looking for members with a similar skill level so they can circlejerk each other. Whatever happened to the times where a clan was composed of some experts/inters on top that had some newbs tagged along so they could learn from each other and grow? And I find it ironic that the Condemned didn't really turn out that way in the longrun.

Sorry, i have to dissagrea with you,
Or atleast add something,
Its not because you are in a clan with all experts your not helping any noobs,
I think im in a clan with all decent animators and maybe one expert, but that doesn't mean i dont like to help noobs with there animation skills,
I've helped alot of people actually, they just have to ask, and in the meantime you get new friends and stuff.

And maybe if you have an 'expert clan' you can make more expert things ( like clan animations and collabs and stuff )
And maybe these clan collabs inspire the noobs ( like in zetabrand, everyone wants to be like them )

But if your clan exists out of 1 expert 1 decent and 4 noobs, the clan animations would honestly look like shieet...
Therefor inspiering no one...
But i get what you say, that the experts Will help the noobs grow and becomes better..
I just dont see why you have to be in the Same clan to do that

Im sorry if this doesn't make any sence,
I just wanted to say that

:)

Edit
I think apex93 is right :)

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When I raised n8ster's point, I wasn't talking about every clan. I've just started noticing that there are new clans who at 4 or 5 members would for some inane reason, reject an anim that was half-assed but worked on very hard. I mean, I would agree if the tryout was rushed. But you see my point: it's like the point of making a clan has lost its meaning. How can you transcend like Zetabrand if there's no guiding hand to tell you "hey you shouldn't be making yourselves exclusive."

And so what if the clan anims look like shit. The goal isn't to inspire outwardly, but within. Clans are suppose to culture a mini-community of sorts. That's why you pick people to be with in the first place.

Oh like that, ok i get you ;)
I understand now
I just ment you could help people whitouth being in a clan
But like you say, its more fun to be in a clan and improve because of your teammates
Ok

In all honesty, whats the harm in a lot of clans? It resolves the issue that came to rise with to many people in the noob or inter category not having a place to go. They can learn and grow with peers at their level, which is healthy!

I never learned more than animating with those around my skill level. People will make clans, change and evolve. As this occurs and older clans die off we'll simply send them off to the bin and allow room for more to give their shot at long lasting legends.

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In all honesty, whats the harm in a lot of clans? It resolves the issue that came to rise with to many people in the noob or inter category not having a place to go. They can learn and grow with peers at their level, which is healthy!

I never learned more than animating with those around my skill level. People will make clans, change and evolve. As this occurs and older clans die off we'll simply send them off to the bin and allow room for more to give their shot at long lasting legends.

I agree, people like me didn't have an entire community to grow our skill at the same time, the skill level now is completely mixed, being in a clan with people around the same skill level as me helps me improve at a pace I'm comfortable with.

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hey, i like that clan, its helping newbies, don't confuse the newbies, i'm a newbie,
thats why, we don't fit in with the experts, things will always change, you just have to accept that,

if thing should remain the same, we would still be living in caves, so leave the newbies out of it

u don't think that we are trying to be like the experts, we are, and we are doing our best to improve,

blaa blaa blaa blaa, this is pointless, i'm out of here, one conversation well always lead to a next




thats true too

it's not helping newbs, and it's not improving them. why? that clan has been out for a while, is full, and hasn't done one weekly or monthly.

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In all honesty, whats the harm in a lot of clans? It resolves the issue that came to rise with to many people in the noob or inter category not having a place to go. They can learn and grow with peers at their level, which is healthy!

I never learned more than animating with those around my skill level. People will make clans, change and evolve. As this occurs and older clans die off we'll simply send them off to the bin and allow room for more to give their shot at long lasting legends.

yeah, but the clans I listed don't do anything and is barley posted on.

The reason I created revelation was to improve my animating skills with a group of friends that had the same interest and goal that I had. We are now working on our first clan collaboration, and hosting a public collab and a competition. I try my best to not have us be useless and I don't like it when members are inactive. I feel that if clan members would get to know each other and make members FRIENDS instead of just another "member" then more clans would do better.

Also heres something I don't like about clans that I have seen. I find the scoring/rank system (like points when you make a weekly or an animation of some sort) completely bullshit. The only ranks there should really be is the Leader and Co-leader to take over as leader if the leader leaves. And of course everyone should have a say and valid opinion when it comes to making almost any decision, basically making everyone equal. Anyone agree with me?

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The overall goal of clans is to just bring a inner-circle sense of community. It IS to gather your friends together with like interests and abilities to create your own little world. Prime example of this is zetabrand.

Yeah but what is fucking annoying and stupid is most clans I've seen (unlike Zeta) want all the fans and attention but basically don't want to do anything to do deserve it and will shrugs fans or viewers away the minute they ask for activity or even just give general advice...
Zeta didn't become the best by jacking off and updating their page once every 3 fucking months, they worked their asses off with collabs, exercises, team animations, and even art...
Also unlike other clans they prefer to be themselves rather than succumb to overused fads...

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It's not necessarily having clan battles and earning points but to manage something that you, as a leader, are in control of and to work together with your teammates to help create and expand your world.

Hey Stone remember back in the old days when your clan used to actually have done something worth merit to brag being a functional or decent clan? Those days are over, like I said before no one really wants to put in the work to keep shit functioning...
The whole teamwork thing tends to consist of unfinished clan projects with minimal requirements and spamming up their forums page and IRC with no particular purpose...
Most leaders these days are only really leaders by title and sit around and let their team mates and clans fester because they don't feel like thinking for possibly 5 minutes on how to actually keep their clan members active...

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I think overall, as whole, clans have done this. Could it be improved? Of course, but that is what the future can take us with everyone's continued dedication and love.

See that word I bolded? It went missing, that's the main issue...

But all in all I think the only clans I know worth truly caring about are Zetabrand and Infinity Strikers...

Something that you guys should realize is that you shouldn't take clans that seriously.
If a clan wants to sit around and not really do anything special, let them do that. If a clan wants to go out and make lots of collabs and joints, let them do that. Honestly, what's the problem? Some people might actually make clans just to, I don't know, have fun? Yeah, fun.
About the inactive clans, I don't really see the problem there either. If someone makes a clan and it gets no members, it's gonna get binned sooner or later. The problem is that people don't report these clans. So yeah, if you see a clan that's inactive as fuck, dosen't have any members, and just seem dead, report it. Simple as that.

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Honestly, what's the problem? Some people might actually make clans just to, I don't know, have fun? Yeah, fun.
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they don't know what fun is, they are adults, they have spent so much time being experts that they forgot what fun is, and why we newbies even animate, explaining yourself to them will just be pointless, and for ever going

fun
child definition: lets hangout and do crap :D
adult definition: total waste of time >__>

how would they be having fun if their not doing anything?

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how would they be having fun if their not doing anything?

How about
-they might be hanging on Skype, discussing activities and might be doing weeklies there.
-again, I posted my response to the super-inactive threads.

That is all.

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how would they be having fun if their not doing anything?

Fucking thank you!

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How about
-they might be hanging on Skype, discussing activities and might be doing weeklies there.
-again, I posted my response to the super-inactive threads.

That is all.

If you wanna chill and hang out with friends then go ahead, that's all fun and games and I can see why people would like to do that... But don't waste my damn time hyping about how cool your clan is when you do nothing but brag about a front page or one actually worthwhile member...

And if you're supposedly only in it for the "fun" and don't want any particular attention at least have the balls to openly admit your clan isn't active...

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Fucking thank you!



If you wanna chill and hang out with friends then go ahead, that's all fun and games and I can see why people would like to do that... But don't waste my damn time hyping about how cool your clan is when you do nothing but brag about a front page or one actually worthwhile member...

And if you're supposedly only in it for the "fun" and don't want any particular attention at least have the balls to openly admit your clan isn't active...

agreed.
If their doing their weeklies on skype, how do you know they do them on skype? Even if they did, I think they'd post them on the page.

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Fucking thank you!



If you wanna chill and hang out with friends then go ahead, that's all fun and games and I can see why people would like to do that... But don't waste my damn time hyping about how cool your clan is when you do nothing but brag about a front page or one actually worthwhile member...

And if you're supposedly only in it for the "fun" and don't want any particular attention at least have the balls to openly admit your clan isn't active...

I can see what direction you're pointing at, but that wasn't what I meant.
I was talking about the clans who don't really do clan joints or collabs, but they just keep it cool and have fun as a team of animators. This isn't a super-proffesional animating school, this is just a site for amateur animators to hang out. Sure, if a clan is inactive as fuck and brags about how cool it is, that's kinda bad. But that wasn't at all what I was trying to defend :P

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agreed.
If their doing their weeklies on skype, how do you know they do them on skype? Even if they did, I think they'd post them on the page.

Some people aren't doing it for the attention, some people are actually just posting the thread on SP for the clan to be official, not to show off.