Yeah right, they are much faster and faster than a spearton, just slightly less very slightly less, have tested t just now, the auto heal shoud work after only when out of a battle after 10 secs, but the problem is, the battle is everytime than we will have alot of bugs for it

NOW I SAY THAAT PLEASE DEVELOPERS FUCKING NERF CHAOS OR BUFF ORDER! PLEASE ITS TOO ENOUGH EVERYBODY SAID IT NOwwww!!! freaking mad right now lolz

Why are you guys complaining? Order has monks which can heal A LOT faster than auto regeneration.

Giants and jugs don't actually regen that hard, that's why it isn't a big deal. Chaos isn't totally imbalanced as everyone claims now, I only offered small changes and it's taken way out of proportion. Regen isn't going to change.

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Giants and jugs don't actually regen that hard, that's why it isn't a big deal. Chaos isn't totally imbalanced as everyone claims now, I only offered small changes and it's taken way out of proportion. Regen isn't going to change.

Why wont they Listen Wyz? Auto-heal is not even a problem. And only small units benefit from it such as crawlers, other heavily armored units take quiet sometime to heal up.

Wyz goku and I are chaos pros, and we are saying that auto heal isn't the problem really. You guys get a much more better giant a shadwrath and walls. I'm just saying plzzz stop complaining when you havnt even playe chaos as yourself. Then you will see hoe hard it is micro isn't easy wih crawlers

like cheetos said it's pretty hard to micro cats well and you macro decision needs to be good because if you make a mistake you could lose the match.

Sure, everything is balanced...*sarcastic voice*
sure, i do not complain about jugg and giant auto heal but what i complain is those crawler, bomber and eclipsor, medusa and marrowkai and dead too.
1. deads have armor-why should they?
2. crawlers and bombers benefit from auto heal a lot-not good.
3. bombers...well being suicidal frakers (yes this is a word from BSG), they should be boom in 1 hit from archidons.
4. eclipsor being fast- too fast perhaps, faster than a spearton which mean they can kite everything,
cheap and fast to train, that mean easy to mass with the chaos economic advantage.
5. marrowkai and medusa need nerf in health, reaper and pretrify range
6. either all those above or make a cheaper and faster trained meric.

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Wyz goku and I are chaos pros, and we are saying that auto heal isn't the problem really. You guys get a much more better giant a shadwrath and walls. I'm just saying plzzz stop complaining when you havnt even playe chaos as yourself. Then you will see hoe hard it is micro isn't easy wih crawlers

Thats the top and bottom of it 'subjective experience does not equal objective fact' - when a player actually tries to do something it seems much harder than when watching his opponent do it.
If I am playing crawlers what I see is a group of swords one-hit-killing my crawler, and cry 'OP'. If I am playing swords what I see if a group of crawlers chipping away my swords and fleeing to regen coming back on full hitpoints, and cry 'OP'.
Thats why there will never be a perceived ballance between order and chaos - even if we assume a perfect balance was achieved, if its balanced for top level play it will be unbalanced for lower level play, and vise-versa.
Therefore, if a perfect ballance is impossible, one side must have a slight advantage (by definition) and the question is not how to achieve an impossible perfect balance, rather the question is which side must be given the inevitable slight advantage? Free-to-play or pay-to-play?
Anyone who suggests free to play should have the slight advantage is naive to financial reality (does anyone think people will pay monthly for a less powerful empire?).

In summary; its not a valid argument to seek a perfect balance. Its not a vails argument to seek a slight advantage for order.
The valid argument is how should chaos not be at disadvantage (who's going to pay for a disadvantage) and how should chaos be given a slight advantage.

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Sure, everything is balanced...*sarcastic voice*
sure, i do not complain about jugg and giant auto heal but what i complain is those crawler, bomber and eclipsor, medusa and marrowkai and dead too.
1. deads have armor-why should they?

because they are slow and do crappy damage, kiting is impossible.

2. crawlers and bombers benefit from auto heal a lot-not good.

they also die with a very little amount of damage

3. bombers...well being suicidal frakers (yes this is a word from BSG), they should be boom in 1 hit from archidons.

OMG the archer may have to kite backwards a little after the first ranged hit, or have a wall, or have another archer near by <*chough*>

4. eclipsor being fast- too fast perhaps, faster than a spearton which mean they can kite everything,
cheap and fast to train, that mean easy to mass with the chaos economic advantage.

So you suggest they lose the main advantage they have - given they already do less damage than albow, have less armour/hitpoints, cant get a buff to damage against tanks which the albow can, and any one of three mage spells can take out the whole group of them. Sounds like a well thought out suggestion, I dont think.

5. marrowkai and medusa need nerf in health, reaper and pretrify range

reaper has been nerfed to the point of almost useless as it is. The duration is so short that a giant hardly moves at all before the spell ends. Fists does so little damage, and is so hard to target that its almost insignificant. petrify has a really long cool down, and for those 27 seconds the medusa is a slow moving defenceless unit (with a ZERO RANGE poison, if researched) - so you suggest she has to get even closer to use her only ability of value...right...

6. either all those above or make a cheaper and faster trained meric.

Meric heal is far better than chaos regen on larger health units, do you have any idea of how long a giant takes to heal after tanking? (and who's only role is as a front line tank) - it is longer as most end game battles take!

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reaper has been nerfed to the point of almost useless as it is. The duration is so short that a giant hardly moves at all before the spell ends. Fists does so little damage, and is so hard to target that its almost insignificant. petrify has a really long cool down, and for those 27 seconds the medusa is a slow moving defenceless unit (with a ZERO RANGE poison, if researched) - so you suggest she has to get even closer to use her only ability of value...right...

Hum... reaper is okay, reaper doesn't work on giants due to a new patch-cancel "giant animation's cancel", which means the giant won't move unless it finish throwing the boulders , if you reap the giant while he starts throwing, you have wasted some time on the reaping, which made reaper sucked on giants

I remember before that patch... if you reap those giants, they get confess instantly and walk to the front, that is quite OP...
One reaper can completely control a giant
That's how I lost on the first match with chaos enemy

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Thats the top and bottom of it 'subjective experience does not equal objective fact' - when a player actually tries to do something it seems much harder than when watching his opponent do it.
If I am playing crawlers what I see is a group of swords one-hit-killing my crawler, and cry 'OP'. If I am playing swords what I see if a group of crawlers chipping away my swords and fleeing to regen coming back on full hitpoints, and cry 'OP'.
Thats why there will never be a perceived ballance between order and chaos - even if we assume a perfect balance was achieved, if its balanced for top level play it will be unbalanced for lower level play, and vise-versa.
Therefore, if a perfect ballance is impossible, one side must have a slight advantage (by definition) and the question is not how to achieve an impossible perfect balance, rather the question is which side must be given the inevitable slight advantage? Free-to-play or pay-to-play?
Anyone who suggests free to play should have the slight advantage is naive to financial reality (does anyone think people will pay monthly for a less powerful empire?).


In summary; its not a valid argument to seek a perfect balance. Its not a vails argument to seek a slight advantage for order.
The valid argument is how should chaos not be at disadvantage (who's going to pay for a disadvantage) and how should chaos be given a slight advantage.

because they are slow and do crappy damage, kiting is impossible.
they also die with a very little amount of damage
OMG the archer may have to kite backwards a little after the first ranged hit, or have a wall, or have another archer near by <*chough*>
So you suggest they lose the main advantage they have - given they already do less damage than albow, have less armour/hitpoints, cant get a buff to damage against tanks which the albow can, and any one of three mage spells can take out the whole group of them. Sounds like a well thought out suggestion, I dont think.
reaper has been nerfed to the point of almost useless as it is. The duration is so short that a giant hardly moves at all before the spell ends. Fists does so little damage, and is so hard to target that its almost insignificant. petrify has a really long cool down, and for those 27 seconds the medusa is a slow moving defenceless unit (with a ZERO RANGE poison, if researched) - so you suggest she has to get even closer to use her only ability of value...right...


Meric heal is far better than chaos regen on larger health units, do you have any idea of how long a giant takes to heal after tanking? (and who's only role is as a front line tank) - it is longer as most end game battles take!

FIRST, this is a strategy game those FtP and PtP factors are not that big.
since when swords one hit crawlers?
what's with the "perfect" man? everyone know perfect is a relative word. i didn't even mention "perfect in my posts", i just want to point out that the order need somethings to stand against chaos.
2 equal skill players with one being chaos and other order will end with the chaos player victory. sure, but at least give the order player some chances.
SECOND, deads are slow, crappy damage but they have high health, poison and range of archidon. so kiting against them is impossible unless on very long map with continous use of flaming arrows. but what kind of player leave their ranged units alone?
THIRD, before they die, they can run back and heal , simple, if enemy have ranged units, some juggers or bombers will do
FOURTH, they're cheap, they're fast, good for messing up enemies, just try to hit them with some control is a pain already
FIFTH, eclipsor...i didn't even said most of those..just slightly reduce their speed, increase in cost and training time, done.
SIXTH, Medusa can run a lap around magikill before he finish his spell, plus, what kind of chaos user leave her alone during a battle? just get the ninja to her position is enough to be call a pain, not to mention hit her but see her get away with it and keep petrifying your men is not cool. plus, 27 second is nothing big, why not make it 30 seconds? 2 medusas is enough to kill any useful support units u have during a battle.
hmm, Marrowkai reaper got slight nerf? cool...its not that useless man since it not suppose to be an end for the unit they reaped
SEVENTH, sure, they heal better but they're destructable, cost pop and heal one at a time.
*sigh*

With these arguements I think now Order should get a buff instead of Chaos getting a nerf XD
1.Order miner should have 85 gold instead of 75
2.Praying miner should get 8 mana instead of 7
3.Wall should completely block all damages even when troops are just in front of it.
4.Spearton should block all damages from Flyers and bombers even when Archidon is behind him like when bombers are completely protected by Crawlers.
5.Shadowrath should instant have the first Shinobi.
6.Magikill and Medusa should not be stoned.
7.Towr spawn MUST BE FIXED.
8.Good micro MUST be used XD

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With these arguements I think now Order should get a buff instead of Chaos getting a nerf XD
1.Order miner should have 85 gold instead of 75
2.Praying miner should get 8 mana instead of 7
3.Wall should completely block all damages even when troops are just in front of it.
4.Spearton should block all damages from Flyers and bombers even when Archidon is behind him like when bombers are completely protected by Crawlers.
5.Shadowrath should instant have the first Shinobi.
6.Magikill and Medusa should not be stoned.
7.Towr spawn MUST BE FIXED.
8.Good micro MUST be used XD

No. I will fucking kill you if you ever suggest this again.


P.s. some of these suggestions are bug fixes not buffs for order...

Lolz, somehow yes, but y?

Ha, pwned.