Hi reader,

I always used to use Miner + Archidon start, it doesn't work anymore since rage is SUPER popular, I lost against a 1400 guy because of this, it was Gates. Someone help me. They get rage, and they win. Archidon's power is useless.

.:Invincitron:.

Switch strats, I favor archidons, but i've long since changed my strat to adapt to the swords.

Archer start sucks now. I use two swords and a miner and get rage. Once I get a line of swords I then get archers.

Guys, the best solution is obviously to pray for 400 mana at the start and get an early magikill. xD

But seriously. Archer openings aren't really viable anymore since the price buff. You just have to adapt.

Swordwraths are now more effective due to the buff. I feel like they're harder to counter now especially when getting rage. All they need to do is to get 1 or 2 lines of swordwraths, capture the m,iddle, tower spawn and attack. You can't really bring a magikill early game except if you have a decent army. The swordwraths could easily head for the magikill and kill him and garrison fast before poison kills them. Sure it might kill 1 or 2 on medium maps. So the swordwraths mass is used on med and small maps. They aren't that effective on large maps(grass hills) But they could be still useful early game to capture the middle.

Starting with archers maybe isn't the best idea. You could use 1 sword and 2 miners on gates. The sword is used to scout the middle and to capture it. But if the opponent rushes you. In my case I use albas when I see he's gonna top me in swords. But they always make archers. When they do that I make a heavy armored unit to attack to distract the swords or to chase the archers to give my albas a chance to attack the swords. This doesn't work perfectly. The better way to counter sword mass is magikill poison and maybe blast next to it. Which means that early game, swords are powerful.

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Swordwraths are now more effective due to the buff. I feel like they're harder to counter now especially when getting rage. All they need to do is to get 1 or 2 lines of swordwraths, capture the m,iddle, tower spawn and attack. You can't really bring a magikill early game except if you have a decent army. The swordwraths could easily head for the magikill and kill him and garrison fast before poison kills them. Sure it might kill 1 or 2 on medium maps. So the swordwraths mass is used on med and small maps. They aren't that effective on large maps(grass hills) But they could be still useful early game to capture the middle.

Starting with archers maybe isn't the best idea. You could use 1 sword and 2 miners on gates. The sword is used to scout the middle and to capture it. But if the opponent rushes you. In my case I use albas when I see he's gonna top me in swords. But they always make archers. When they do that I make a heavy armored unit to attack to distract the swords or to chase the archers to give my albas a chance to attack the swords. This doesn't work perfectly. The better way to counter sword mass is magikill poison and maybe blast next to it. Which means that early game, swords are powerful.

Actually, if you can get a mage out, the swords have something to be quite afraid of. If they start going for your mage, cast Blast right at the spot in front of your magikill, and use electric wall to thin out battle fronts.

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Actually, if you can get a mage out, the swords have something to be quite afraid of. If they start going for your mage, cast Blast right at the spot in front of your magikill, and use electric wall to thin out battle fronts.

That's why you need to have a good timing. Cause the magikill is a bit slow at making spells and he warns before he attacks. Plus the swordwraths with rage can kill almost any unit quickly. But with good timing, you can overcome them.

Start with 1 Sword+2 Miner
Get them miners to gold, and use the sword to check on the enemy.
When 150 Gold is produced, create another Swordwrath.
Then just rape the enemies.

Are you kiddin me? i freaking mass archidon to death a guy who massing swordwrath with rage.
sure i lose some archers but he loss most of his swordwrath before even reach the atttack range while using rage.
well it kinda hard and he did made a few mistakes so...archer does kinda need a buff.

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Are you kiddin me? i freaking mass archidon to death a guy who massing swordwrath with rage.
sure i lose some archers but he loss most of his swordwrath before even reach the atttack range while using rage.
well it kinda hard and he did made a few mistakes so...archer does kinda need a buff.

He is talking about the start of the match.. Not later on, when you mass units.

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He is talking about the start of the match.. Not later on, when you mass units.

i did start the game with archer and miners...

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Start with 1 Sword+2 Miner
Get them miners to gold, and use the sword to check on the enemy.
When 150 Gold is produced, create another Swordwrath.
Then just rape the enemies.

Lol u don't have rage lol my 5 swords rage against your 4 swords ( I start with 2 sword 1 miner) Also jombloxx, archers need NOTHING

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i did start the game with archer and miners...

The thing is, on a middle sized map, archidon start is NOT VIABLE AT ALL! Because at the 1 minute mark, they get rage and 5 swords, pwning your archidon (which can't do anything against rage)