Hello debaters. I would like to debate the morality and purposes of the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA). Even if you aren't a citizen of the United States, the act could become contagious if it makes it through Congress. So, what do you think of the bill, and what do you think the consequences are if it does pass Congress. If you dont know what CISPA is (which is unlikely) I would recommend this site, and any others you decide are relevant.


Personally, I think the bill had good intentions, but I don't believe it will stay that way... I think lobbyists know their way around the Government too well.

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Personally, I think the bill had good intentions, but I don't believe it will stay that way... I think lobbyists know their way around the Government too well.

What is this supposed to mean?

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What is this supposed to mean?

I think it means, he smells bullshit

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I think it means, he smells bullshit

I like the smell of bullshit.

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Personally, I think the bill had good intentions, but I don't believe it will stay that way... I think lobbyists know their way around the Government too well.

The bill never had good intentions. Lets say that a politician was to try to pass a bill that would allow the government to read your mail. It will never get passed, because it takes away your right to privacy. The only difference here is that, instead of mail its packets of digital information. Most politicians don't get that because they don't know how the internet works.

I'd quite happily let the government read my mail. They could learn such interesting facts as how much my gas bill was last year and that I have been pre-approved for various dodgy credit cards and could save money by switching to BT and that the local takeaway does by-one-get-one-free on tuesdays. The only way I can see it being bad for me is if I decided to post someone naked pictures of myself and the government person looking at it happened to be someone I know.

But since the vast vast majority of mail is junk the government would never bother to look at all of it. The only stuff which they would look at, for practical reasons, is stuff which they had reason to suspect was illegal in some way. The same principle holds for data on the internet.

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I think CISPA is just another reincarnation of SOPA, just with a slight changing.
I call this bill bullshit.
Stop them like what we did before.

The "slight changing" is that they can't take down websites if that website's users post illegal content. That was the main complaint last time.

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I think CISPA is just another reincarnation of SOPA, just with a slight changing.
I call this bill bullshit.
Stop them like what we did before.

Anonymous has failed at using the same methods as with SOPA. Too much lobbyist money is at stake for an Anon victory.

You keep saying the word "lobbyists", do you know who is lobbying for this bill? Do you understand their intentions? What are you even talking about? It sounds like you just have a vague notion that politicians are inherently corrupt and they're only out to screw us over to make a quick buck.

I'm getting the impression that most of you haven't bothered to read into the bill or what it's meant to do.

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You keep saying the word "lobbyists", do you know who is lobbying for this bill? Do you understand their intentions? What are you even talking about? It sounds like you just have a vague notion that politicians are inherently corrupt and they're only out to screw us over to make a quick buck.

I'm getting the impression that most of you haven't bothered to read into the bill or what it's meant to do.

Actually I have. As I said earlier, I don't think CISPA will protect us from corporate interests for very long, since the participating companies would be immune to legal prosecution.

I also wonder what would bring the IRS to target conservative groups...

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I don't think CISPA will protect us from corporate interests

It's not supposed to.

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It's not supposed to.

Exactly my point.

What's your point? CISPA won't protect people from corporate interests, but neither does the law against fucking cattle. It's just not an issue that comes into play here.

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What's your point? CISPA won't protect people from corporate interests, but neither does the law against fucking cattle. It's just not an issue that comes into play here.

What if, for example, said corporate interests decide to oppose the NRA. They can legally dox the members of the NRA or other conservative groups, and then what would happen?

No they can't. CISPA says that they can legally give their data to the government. It absolutely does not let them just publish all their data for the public to see.