One thing that I have always thought was unfair was the existence of alts. If a high level player makes an alt with lower rating, everyone they faec will have almost no chance of winning, and will lose a disproportionate amount of rating compared to the skill of the player. Say You fight someone in the top 100 that has an alt at 1700. Theyll have an extremely high skill level, and yet you lose 20-30 rating.

Another point is the clogging up of the top 100 with multiple accounts by the same people. WyzDM has 5 accounts, archy has 4, fatty 2, miami 3, etc. And thats only the obvious ones. There are probably only 80 or so people in the list, and they just make it harder for everyone else to get in.

You know what we do with our alts. We made them to test something dangerous or just some training, but sometimes we will also purposely lose because of too high rating like Fatty.

I have 20+ alts. That's all.

I use my alts for re learning how to play order

Thanks for posting actual arguments and counters for my points.
There are other ways to train and test thing out. You can play unnrated matches with a friend, instead of stomping on low level players with skill not found in their ranks

So the whole scene is
1.U play SE
2.U lose to a person who was hgih and its his alt(low)
3.U became angry
4.U made this thread


But Y? It should be allowed

JerryTT, I noticed you made this thread after I beat you with my alt Cadmus (right?).

Well, it doesn't really matter. If you lose to someone, and you truly are your rating, you will gain it back.

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So the whole scene is
1.U play SE
2.U lose to a person who was hgih and its his alt(low)
3.U became angry
4.U made this thread


But Y? It should be allowed

In what way should it be allowed?
I've managed to get to 1700s several times, but alts keep getting me get back down. Frustating as hell. And the alts were at 1500s too.

It's not a matter of rage or not rage. Its fairness.

Don't worry jerrytt, it's sort of like natural selection.
If a high-ranked player faces against a new beginner and he raged-quit, then most likely the beginner is just a mean jerk on the internet.
A smart and mature new beginner would steal the high-ranked player's tactics to use against other beginners. ;)

I know, using alts aren't morally right. People tend to lose BIG scores (as you mentioned) against alts. But I like them. I never had an alt account, but I always like to steal their tactics from them. I'm from the 1600's ranked, and sometimes when an alt beats me (And I know it's an alt, like a 1400's person), it's like a free ticket to play with a person with 2000+ rating. I could be able to use his ideas and then stomp other people within my rating score.

But it's not like losing a big score is the end of your life. The more professional you are, your rating will naturally go up. Thus, you shouldn't feel so bad against losing an alt, because you know you can be able to recover it.

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JerryTT, I noticed you made this thread after I beat you with my alt Cadmus (right?).

Well, it doesn't really matter. If you lose to someone, and you truly are your rating, you will gain it back.

No, it wasnt your alt that pissed me off (i didnt even know it was an alt), it was KFCJs alt, and he was at 1800. I Instantly lost 30 rating. played him again. another 25. And the entire thing about the top 100 was on my mind for awhile now.

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Don't worry jerrytt, it's sort of like natural selection.
If a high-ranked player faces against a new beginner and he raged-quit, then most likely the beginner is just a mean jerk on the internet.
A smart and mature new beginner would steal the high-ranked player's tactics to use against other beginners. ;)

I know, using alts aren't morally right. People tend to lose BIG scores (as you mentioned) against alts. But I like them. I never had an alt account, but I always like to steal their tactics from them. I'm from the 1600's ranked, and sometimes when an alt beats me (And I know it's an alt, like a 1400's person), it's like a free ticket to play with a person with 2000+ rating. I could be able to use his ideas and then stomp other people within my rating score.

But it's not like losing a big score is the end of your life. The more professional you are, your rating will naturally go up. Thus, you shouldn't feel so bad against losing an alt, because you know you can be able to recover it.

At the rating I was, I could have easily been matched with someone in the top 100+ But I was matched with someone in the top 20 and 100 rating below me. While you are right about being able to recover it, I still should have never had to recover it. If he had been playing with his main account instead of trying to boost his second account to another spot in the top 100, I would have only lost 7-10 rating.

Alt - Tab
Alt - F4
Alt - Ctrl - Del

I know of a few more.


Anyway, alts should be allowed to an extent. 20 alts, too much. One or two, sure go right ahead.

Perhaps they can just be banned from the top 100. That would stop most of the alts around and give people less of a reason to make them.

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At the rating I was, I could have easily been matched with someone in the top 100+ But I was matched with someone in the top 20 and 100 rating below me. While you are right about being able to recover it, I still should have never had to recover it. If he had been playing with his main account instead of trying to boost his second account to another spot in the top 100, I would have only lost 7-10 rating.

Yes, you didn't have to be in that mess (I agree with you). But one thing though... did you know why you lost against him?

Maybe (in my view point) instead of thinking technical, think about what happened IN the game. Not outside, not what how low ranked your opponent is, nothing else. What did you do wrong that made you lost against him? Steal his ideas, and you shouldn't have to worry about that alt guy anymore because you know how to counter him.

We really can't do anything about people making alt accounts. Nobody could (unless you're in Korea). The only good way to avoid this accident is just to keep getting better and stealing people's ideas. That's what I am trying to tell you. :eek:

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Perhaps they can just be banned from the top 100. That would stop most of the alts around and give people less of a reason to make them.

Stick Empire moderators can't confirm if one account is an alt or not... so... that may seem a bit cruel/overboard.

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Yes, you didn't have to be in that mess (I agree with you). But one thing though... did you know why you lost against him?

Maybe (in my view point) instead of thinking technical, think about what happened IN the game. Not outside, not what how low ranked your opponent is, nothing else. What did you do wrong that made you lost against him? Steal his ideas, and you shouldn't have to worry about that alt guy anymore because you know how to counter him.

We really can't do anything about people making alt accounts. Nobody could (unless you're in Korea). The only good way to avoid this accident is just to keep getting better and stealing people's ideas. That's what I am trying to tell you. :eek:



Stick Empire moderators can't confirm if one account is an alt or not... so... that may seem a bit cruel/overboard.

Kind of hard to steal a chaos guys stratedgy with order...

And Im pretty sure that they can do an IP check or somethin, Idk, tec, your the expert here (kinda) do you know what they can or cant do?

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Kind of hard to steal a chaos guys stratedgy with order...

And Im pretty sure that they can do an IP check or somethin, Idk, tec, your the expert here (kinda) do you know what they can or cant do?

We've had this discussion before. I mean, what if someone plays with his family? So that means the whole family can only have one account, unless they use separate IPs.