Most Ineffective Opening

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May 28, 2013 7:03 PM #987939
4 swords is the most effective, wut u guyz talkin bout
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May 28, 2013 7:05 PM #987941
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4 swords is the most effective, wut u guyz talkin bout


Dafuq? Are you serious? You would have very low eco... And the opponent could make 2 swords and 1 miner and keep making swords... Better eco and same army.
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May 28, 2013 7:09 PM #987948
could be logical.
ya never know.
this is the most uneffective opening thread
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May 28, 2013 7:09 PM #987950
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Dafuq? Are you serious? You would have very low eco... And the opponent could make 2 swords and 1 miner and keep making swords... Better eco and same army.


It seems you dont speak sarcasm.
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May 28, 2013 7:48 PM #987970
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It seems you dont speak sarcasm.


I don't know how to be sarcastic correctly...
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May 28, 2013 8:02 PM #987977
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I don't know how to be sarcastic correctly...


its ok.
we'll get through this together.
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May 28, 2013 8:16 PM #987982
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its ok.
we'll get through this together.


Was that sarcasm about that I don't know how to be sarcastic? Off topic -_-
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May 28, 2013 11:58 PM #988093
I actually got up to 1600 using Spearton rush. You need to know how to control the strategy.
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May 29, 2013 1:08 AM #988157
3 miners or 1 spearton. 4 swords is technically better than spearton because even though the speartons gets out faster than 4 swords, the sword user can simply micro a while until they're all out, then defeat the spearton and have better Eco (same amount of miners, but sword user has middle).

3 miners: worst start, AI please don't complain, but 3 miners is simply NOT the best answer to turtling. 2 miners and 1 sword is. By the time 2 miners are done loading, you have enough gold to get another.

So, 2 miners 1 sword>3 miners

Same amount of time to get 3 miners, but 1 sword is better army, and middle gives Eco boost. As long as the 2 miner 1 sword started plays it well, he'll win easily.
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May 29, 2013 1:58 AM #988196
alright, maybe things have changed in se but when i played 4 swordwraths was most effective. it was the strategy daemon used.
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May 29, 2013 2:01 AM #988198
Its not completely unviable in short maps against chaos, but I think thats the only situation where it can actually be used, and some starts are still better. 2 miners 1 sword can give basically the same results, except that there is a 1-2 second delay between building swords, and it gives a better early economy.
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May 29, 2013 6:22 AM #988353
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3 miners: worst start, AI please don't complain, but 3 miners is simply NOT the best answer to turtling. 2 miners and 1 sword is. By the time 2 miners are done loading, you have enough gold to get another.


I still want to. :P

You are correct, that's undeniable; but that if your opponent doesnt go for tower. If he go to tower with a better a army, you'll have to spawn more swords to defend the middle. Or you retreat. Most likely the enemy will chase after and you will be forced to get castle archer. That 1 sword goes to waste.
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May 29, 2013 1:28 PM #988619
Ya'll people are crazy.
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May 29, 2013 1:28 PM #988620
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I still want to. :P

You are correct, that's undeniable; but that if your opponent doesnt go for tower. If he go to tower with a better a army, you'll have to spawn more swords to defend the middle. Or you retreat. Most likely the enemy will chase after and you will be forced to get castle archer. That 1 sword goes to waste.


Compared to no swords, 1 dead sword is better.

After you start 2 miners 1 sword, you can do the same as you usually do: turtle. If the opponent has units at the middle, just restart your sword so he is still alive, while you are in the same position in which if you had started 3 miners, but you have 1 sword too. And if they didn't send units to the middle, lucky you, free middle!
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May 29, 2013 2:35 PM #988672
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3 miners or 1 spearton. 4 swords is technically better than spearton because even though the speartons gets out faster than 4 swords, the sword user can simply micro a while until they're all out, then defeat the spearton and have better Eco (same amount of miners, but sword user has middle).

3 miners: worst start, AI please don't complain, but 3 miners is simply NOT the best answer to turtling. 2 miners and 1 sword is. By the time 2 miners are done loading, you have enough gold to get another.

So, 2 miners 1 sword>3 miners

Same amount of time to get 3 miners, but 1 sword is better army, and middle gives Eco boost. As long as the 2 miner 1 sword started plays it well, he'll win easily.


Well wait just a minute, In defense for Aiman I would have to say that his strategy may work on medium to long maps, and I believe spearton/jugg rush is probably would have the lowest % chance of succeeding

Yes Wyz we have lost it :p lol