I like ultra's point.
When i rotoscoped a 2 second naruto animation I was banned for about a month.
You rotoscop a little bit for a big animation, and you get paid and front paged, it's a really sneaky way in...
I have very little respect for you at the moment, even for the little bit of rotoscope you have.


And for people to saying that us "butt hurt" are jealous, they're wrong, I have no issue with new great animators, but the animation the amped up to be great and show you off, was partially stolen, may have been 5% of the animation, but it's showing you have no respect for other animators either. Someone worked on that, for you to plain steal to make your animation better? That's bullshit. You could have been sponsored without thoughs explosions and angles you copied, you could have done them on your own, but instead you said "Let's steal, no one will notice, call it inspiration and not show the video." And then when you're caught you admit it? You should have said straight up, I copied this.

Oh my god. Dem effects

lol I remember miccool posting on the fa chat thread SethX's rotoscoped animation.

It was like, some 7 or so frames of smoke.
SethX got banned.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by this point but I want to put in my thoughts too.

The end result was enjoyable and pretty well-executed. I'll give it that much. Some of the timing was weird and some material felt out of place (especially quality-wise), but overall it was a very cool piece.

The lack of credit is what's really bothering me and most everyone else - from the original animator's perspective, it's akin to stealing material and passing it off as yours.

I believe that rotoscoping is completely fine as long as you credit all the material you referenced. Hell, even being paid for compiling rotoscoped animation is absolutely fine as long as you're crediting the source material. With that said, I don't like that DanmarK has only admitted to rotoscoping the effects that people have found out to be rotoscoped (at least at some point this was true - I don't know if he's come clean to other roto'd effects by this point).

I'm hoping that all the rotoscoped material has been credited by this point - every effect that isn't admitted but found to be rotoscoped will only further damage his name, and it's important to understand that they will all absolutely be found over time. I'll believe that DanmarK has only rotoscoped the two effects that have been found, and I hope that all the other effects are genuinely self-made.

I know DanmarK has an absolutely fantastic knack for effects and that he doesn't need to rotoscope to make great animations - this does not exempt him from providing credit to others' work.

Overall, this was as much of a great effort and creation as it is a bit of a shame...but we should put these mistakes in the past as long as he's not lying about his other effects. I hope DanmarK has learned from this experience.



PS - It's been a while since I've been here lol.

It looks like DK is using graphic tablet. <-- Look at the credits, top right.

A large portion of the community uses graphic tablets.
I don't see what you're getting at.

Damg it Lf2 so long xD

Anyways... I'm (sadly) not agreed. "Let's everyone just trace anime fx in our animations and give them credits to the end!" There is no point into have competitions on SP if someone's 3-months effort can be easily surpassed by just tracing your fx in one week, it is not fair. And maybe it's not the first the animation with a traced effect....

For me, do whatever you want with your animations, trace them all if you want, but don't use it in the final result to win money nor a competition, it's like laughing at everyone's effort for trying to make something original. It's wrong and it shouldn't be aprooved in any way in the "stickman"animating world.

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Damg it Lf2 so long xD

Anyways... I'm (sadly) not agreed. "Let's everyone just trace anime fx in our animations and give them credits to the end!" There is no point into have competitions on SP if someone's 3-months effort can be easily surpassed by just tracing your fx in one week, it is not fair. And maybe it's not the first the animation with a traced effect....

For me, do whatever you want with your animations, trace them all if you want, but don't use it in the final result to win money nor a competition, it's like laughing at everyone's effort for trying to make something original. It's wrong and it shouldn't be aprooved in any way in the "stickman"animating world.

lol hi

I agree that rotoscoping isn't the most amazing thing, but the thing with roto'ing is that people will acknowledge the lower skillset associated with it, and factor that into whether they find an animation to be impressive or not.

I'll be hitting on 'competition' and 'money' in the scheme of rotoscoping, and why roto'ing in such scenarios doesn't actually play that big of an impact in either.

Competition:
If you see two competition entries where one is full of roto'd material and looks better while the other isn't and still looks okay, many people will end up voting for the one that wasn't traced simply because most people will acknowledge that it takes much more skill. Only under very creative and original rotoscoping will people really acknowledge it as an original creation - it's very hard for people to vote for a highly roto'd animation when they're aware that most of the fbf work is copied. If you want to win a contest with roto'd material, you have to deserve it and win it by effort, originality, and creativity -not by deceiving your audience on the source of your work (which is why crediting rotoscope is so important).

If someone was to roto a lot of stuff but ends up creating something INCREDIBLY creative, PLUS their effort shows through their work - then there's no reason to not think it's a great creation. Without credit, however, the piece is really nothing but theft.

Money:
Money should not be an issue.

If you want to make money, try getting a job. Even minimum wage work will get you money faster than submitting projects to stickpage. Projects themselves, on the other hand, are generally born out of inspiration and determination - the monetary reward shouldn't be as important to you as the feedback you get from your audience (this is at least true in my case). If it was, just go get a job and I guarantee you you'll be making money faster. Don't stress out about the fact that people get more money than you with less effort in the scheme of stick animation - it really is a non-factor.

Just keep in mind that I don't support what DanmarK did at all when he avoided crediting rotoscoping. I just hope he gives credit if he rotoscopes at all in the future, which I also hope he doesn't do because I know he doesn't need to.

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lol I remember miccool posting on the fa chat thread SethX's rotoscoped animation.

It was like, some 7 or so frames of smoke.
SethX got banned.

He roto'd on like 3 different occasions even when I said I'd ban him the next time I saw it.. I banned him for like a week or two or something... I think that's pretty fair : |

I don't know which other parts are roto'd or not, but I can say after watching it again, that he did the 2D combat himself and some of the sprite FX, and the art too.

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He roto'd on like 3 different occasions even when I said I'd ban him the next time I saw it.. I banned him for like a week or two or something... I think that's pretty fair : |

Yeah I said that because I thought what you did was fair, and that DanmarK should have the same fate too.

But like, you know, I'm not a mod or whatever so I thought I'd just say something because I hate him now.

"OH GAWD GUYZ DK STOLED SUM SPLOSIONZ"

Who freaking cares. The guy poured his time and patience into this animation. He wanted to show off some effects, and he simply wasn't at the point, so he used some SMOKE from NARUTO. ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

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"OH GAWD GUYZ DK STOLED SUM SPLOSIONZ"

Who freaking cares. The guy poured his time and patience into this animation. He wanted to show off some effects, and he simply wasn't at the point, so he used some SMOKE from NARUTO. ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

I really did like DK's animation a lot, but what's irritating about it is that 1) you're making money off of what is essentially stolen content, and 2) he's a good enough FX artist that he didn't really have to rotoscope in the first place. If you're trying to show off your talents as an animator or a writer or a painter or any other sort of creative medium, stealing someone else's work and passing it off as your own undermines other people's trust in your abilities. It's an ethical offense, and in professional areas a legal offense as well.

I'm just glad people caught it and DK's getting flak for it now, because it's better to make mistakes like these and learn from them in a small environment like Stickpage than if you were hired by a studio and pulling the same shit. I'm sure DK knows this now.

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Since he most likely wanted people to focus more on the effects throughout the animation, I think he did a pretty damn good job showing it.

Well now I'm disappointed.

For the record guys, DK is pretty regretful about this and is trying to update the swf with proper credits. So don't bite his head off lol.