Sometimes, I can't believe people. Shadowrath with low health and no armour and only melee are probably one of the WORST direct combat units. Shadowrath will only work for assassination above 1500 unless you mass them, and even then, it only really works if it's a large surprise and you're on the defensive. If you have the other person on the defensive, they will have castle archers to help defend and those will rip through shadowrath due to a lack of armour. If you are on the defensive, the other person can easily scout you if they want. If they scout and see shadows garrisoned, they can expect a rush and will build walls to block you and albows to decimate the shadowrath.

I dare you to try shadow mass against anyone above the 1600s or even the 1500s. It rarely works. Spearton mass is probably better than shadow mass and that's saying something.

Guys, read my post again. I said that massing shadowrath is useless, but I said that shadowrath are stronger units individually than spearton. Try using a spearton to kill a shadowrath.

Also, shadowrath aren't meant to be used in mass. As far as I know, the shadowrath is best used like a light cavalry unit for skirmishing and harrying. With a shadowrath mass, you are supposed to stop heavier units such as speartons from forming up and charging, by harrassing the economy, by assassinating individual spearton, or whatever means necessary.

Sometimes, I don't believe how lazy people are at reading posts.

You see the big title shadowrath > spearton and you automatically go to shadowrath mass vs spearton mass. At least have the decency to read through the post before insulting it.

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Guys, read my post again. I said that massing shadowrath is useless, but I said that shadowrath are stronger units individually than spearton. Try using a spearton to kill a shadowrath.

It will kill a spearton in a 1v1 without abilities, HOWEVER, this won't matter when other units like archers come into play. Besides that is only barely wins in a 1v1. Shadows are late game units always. if you make them any sooner than the late game expect enemy armors to overpower and overwhelm you.

And honestly, you're comparing apples and oranges here. Shadows aren't meant to be used in small skirmishes. They are meant for quick assassination kills and harassment. Its not about which is better on its own, its about when to use them effectively and why.

Hey, this was a thread one which one we prefer, the spearton and the shadowrath. I'm a minor shadowrath user, so I thought I should at least post my opinion here. No offense to spearton users.

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Hey, this was a thread one which one we prefer, the spearton and the shadowrath. I'm a minor shadowrath user, so I thought I should at least post my opinion here. No offense to spearton users.

Hey ho :) I also prefere shadowraths :) but still: Its obviously that the most player use speartons more than shadowraths, althought they prefere shadowraths more. They are just use to assassinate magikills, merics and miners :) but its a really important role I think ;)

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Hey ho :) I also prefere shadowraths :) but still: Its obviously that the most player use speartons more than shadowraths, althought they prefere shadowraths more. They are just use to assassinate magikills, merics and miners :) but its a really important role I think ;)

WHY WOULD THEY WASTE SHINOBI AND PUT THE SHADOWRATH IN DANGER TO KILL A MINER???

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WHY WOULD THEY WASTE SHINOBI AND PUT THE SHADOWRATH IN DANGER TO KILL A MINER???

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lol, nice reply shadow. That's not really how I play shadowrath though... I usually use shadowrath on the long map when I can't giant spam. I just make some merics and put them there to heal shadowrath while I send wave after wave of assassins, again, and again, and again... Almost as good as giant spamming, unless they manage to save up enough for allbowtrosses.

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lol, nice reply shadow. That's not really how I play shadowrath though... I usually use shadowrath on the long map when I can't giant spam. I just make some merics and put them there to heal shadowrath while I send wave after wave of assassins, again, and again, and again... Almost as good as giant spamming, unless they manage to save up enough for allbowtrosses.

Easy. My entire setup lets me get about 6 Albows, with Miner Walls, and then you have no counter.

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lol, nice reply shadow. That's not really how I play shadowrath though... I usually use shadowrath on the long map when I can't giant spam. I just make some merics and put them there to heal shadowrath while I send wave after wave of assassins, again, and again, and again... Almost as good as giant spamming, unless they manage to save up enough for allbowtrosses.

Actually, I dont use them this way too....I just wanted to show it....

yo u no how to a make a game on stick page

Anyways, I beat a person over 1600 rating with shadowrath mass.

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1724945&version=1.66

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Anyways, I beat a person over 1600 rating with shadowrath mass.

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1724945&version=1.66

LOL....good replay.... but you should work on your macro more.....and: He was really above 1600?!? Or you was just too lucky....however: At first I thought you would loose this one....WOW, not bad, you have my RESPECT ;)

Well shadows an speartons actually go hand in hand together,

think about it 3 shadow an 1 spear, will slaughter 4 spears, even if u involve other units in the mix, as long as the spear protects his brethren shadow, they can dish out assassinations without leaving themselves exposed