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Buff crawlers attack by a tiny bit not a lot but a bit.
Make it 11 seconds for crawlers too build
and make archers loading time longer or 350 again

Makw pack mentality no mana or 30 seonds loading time for crawlers.

Also juggs have a hesitation to attack after using charge,is this on purpose?

Why not just make swordwrath 150 again? I'm sure archers can stay at 300 though.

Lessen the bomber training time by like 1 second and/or make crawlers 85

Quote from awesomebloc

Lessen the bomber training time by like 1 second and/or make crawlers 85

Both of those make chaos more powerful by too much.

Quote from _Ai_

True. But I need to add; Order is now so op that some Order people say that Order is OP.
And if that 'elite noob' says something stupid again (I said it :o), ill give him a piece of my mind.

C'mon! Make my day! :D
You want a piece of me? I am the "elite noob", you can't.
In the alpha, Chaos users say Order is OP, same for Order users.
In the early Beta, same thing.
At the momment, same fraking thing.
So making threads like these are pointless.

Don't you dare question my genius!

Quote from 300noob

C'mon! Make my day! :D
You want a piece of me? I am the "elite noob", you can't.
In the alpha, Chaos users say Order is OP, same for Order users.
In the early Beta, same thing.
At the momment, same fraking thing.
So making threads like these are pointless.

Don't you dare question my genius!

Althought you are the "Elite Noob" I have to agree with you, althought I wasnt in the Alpha/beta.....I think the way it is now is a perfect way

Order and Chaos are equal!

1 Point I thought of is...Order can never be op in a sense

Reason: Everyone can use it regardless, Therefore if you feel it is OP, then why not use it?

Chaos can have a possibility to be OP because not everyone can use it

But it still doesn't mean that balancing order is a bad idea but imo they probably should slightly buff chaos instead of nerfing order

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Althought you are the "Elite Noob" I have to agree with you, althought I wasnt in the Alpha/beta.....I think the way it is now is a perfect way

Order and Chaos are equal!

I already said that, didnt I? Order says Chaos is op, and otherwise. But now, people above 2k, will say that Order is slightly OP now. And most 2k nowadays have both Order, and Chaos. Why? They have experience. Oh, how they grinded for that kind of rating.

For the past me, I never had Chaos, so I had no idea how hard it is to play it. So I kept saying either of these = "theyre balanced." and "Chaos is OP."

Guess what. I now play Chaos.

Oh the suffering to kill one sword after another. Oh...

300noob, In your defense, why is Order and Chaos balanced. Give me one reason.

Quote from BuddyLucky2

1 Point I thought of is...Order can never be op in a sense

Reason: Everyone can use it regardless, Therefore if you feel it is OP, then why not use it?

Chaos can have a possibility to be OP because not everyone can use it

But it still doesn't mean that balancing order is a bad idea but imo they probably should slightly buff chaos instead of nerfing order

So your reasoning is "If everyone uses it order can't be OP." What if everyone started killing eachother? Would it still be bad because everyone does it? Order is more powerful in the early game and on a short-med map and in that time it can and will decide the game. I personally would like to continue using chaos because its my empire of choice. Buddy, lets say chaos was free. Does that make it alright for order to be OP? No. It doesn't. So why should it be OP now? It needs balance.

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I already said that, didnt I? Order says Chaos is op, and otherwise. But now, people above 2k, will say that Order is slightly OP now. And most 2k nowadays have both Order, and Chaos. Why? They have experience. Oh, how they grinded for that kind of rating.

For the past me, I never had Chaos, so I had no idea how hard it is to play it. So I kept saying either of these = "theyre balanced." and "Chaos is OP."

Guess what. I now play Chaos.

Oh the suffering to kill one sword after another. Oh...

300noob, In your defense, why is Order and Chaos balanced. Give me one reason.

first, those players started with order for a short time then switch to chaos and once in a long while, use order. second, ya just switched to chaos, not enough skill to control it. third, 1 sword after another? dude, where're your crawlers and bombs, don't tell me they are not effective, ya still can't control them properly.
yeah, back then, the ammount of order players that can beat chaos is countable on fingers and toes. now, people could actually have a chance, but still a lot of players can't beat them due to lack of experience. don't start saying order is op cuz you cannot totally dominate the game.
there, now i gonna go off and play other games...im bored of these kind of arguement.

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first, those players started with order for a short time then switch to chaos and once in a long while, use order. second, ya just switched to chaos, not enough skill to control it. third, 1 sword after another? dude, where're your crawlers and bombs, don't tell me they are not effective, ya still can't control them properly.
yeah, back then, the ammount of order players that can beat chaos is countable on fingers and toes. now, people could actually have a chance, but still a lot of players can't beat them due to lack of experience. don't start saying order is op cuz you cannot totally dominate the game.
there, now i gonna go off and play other games...im bored of these kind of arguement.

We were gonna talk about skill of gameplay? Oh i'm sorry, I thought we were gonna argue about the units, my bad.

Yes, I just turned into Chaos, for just a short amount of time. Yes, I cant control them properly. Yeah, back then its countable who could defeat Chaos. But how does that change the opinion of many others, who had already played Chaos for long enough to know the game? You think you were on Alpha, everything you say is true? Well no. You are wrong. You wont even argue properly.

Ok guys..I dont know, but I think threads like "Is Order/Chaos fair?", "What should be nerfed/buffed".... they are all time wasting.... We all should make threads like "The weaknesses of Order/Chaos and how to solve them" or like "How to counter Order/Chaos unit combinations"... And not like: Hey!!!! Orders Magikills are too OP.... I suggest a nerf!!!! Or: Hey!!!! Medusas stone attack is too OP!!! NERF!!!

You all know what I mean?

Quote from 300noob

but still a lot of players can't beat them due to lack of experience.

I can agree with that because one time i was chaos, my opponent had a whole army of swords. I had 1 crawler, he came at me. My crawler didn't move so he retreated before he got close. But if they were brave they would of won!

I think we are all getting overlooked by those developers...
So let's stop wasting time here!!!

Quote from _Ai_

We were gonna talk about skill of gameplay? Oh i'm sorry, I thought we were gonna argue about the units, my bad.

Yes, I just turned into Chaos, for just a short amount of time. Yes, I cant control them properly. Yeah, back then its countable who could defeat Chaos. But how does that change the opinion of many others, who had already played Chaos for long enough to know the game? You think you were on Alpha, everything you say is true? Well no. You are wrong. You wont even argue properly.

Well, i played order like for half year, and i know almost everything about chaos. Why? Cuz u know how pros start, how they move their crawlers, and how they micro just by playing order.