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not really, I can do a good job on castle without that, just saying, and now I'm above that. (for now) but seriously, if you just know how, you can pull off just about anything.

and just because you havn't reviewed your strats doesn't mean that you're not good, just the opposite actually. You should never fight the war you just fought.

On castle, the map is so small if you control the center, you basically have disabled their second row of gold if you have your units at the center. You require a powerful start to take over the center and the two most powerful starts are rage swords and archer + sword, archer + sword comes out faster and will be ready to fight well before the one minute mark, and with the shortness of castle, they will quickly gain the economic boost and land claim unless facing another archer + sword. They can then out-sword the other person or get a castle archer which will dominate a third of the map early game.

Castle is ALL offense. Thus, Archer + Sword.

I'm in the 1800s, but I know what I talk about.

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On castle, the map is so small if you control the center, you basically have disabled their second row of gold if you have your units at the center. You require a powerful start to take over the center and the two most powerful starts are rage swords and archer + sword, archer + sword comes out faster and will be ready to fight well before the one minute mark, and with the shortness of castle, they will quickly gain the economic boost and land claim unless facing another archer + sword. They can then out-sword the other person or get a castle archer which will dominate a third of the map early game.

Castle is ALL offense. Thus, Archer + Sword.

I'm in the 1800s, but I know what I talk about.

This does not mean you absolutely have to use Archer +sword, contrary to your Ideas. If you can pull off a few other moves, you can easily make up for (and possibly do better because of) not using archer + sword

My start, 2 sword 1 miner, has absolutely nothing to do with rage, and sword archer is not the only effective start on castle. I wouldn't spit too much about my strategy, but mine can defeat sword archer. I tried against pros above 2K. It sure worked.

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My start, 2 sword 1 miner, has absolutely nothing to do with rage, and sword archer is not the only effective start on castle. I wouldn't spit too much about my strategy, but mine can defeat sword archer. I tried against pros above 2K. It sure worked.

exactly, proves my point. don't tell a beginner, or a less experienced person EXACTLY what to do, give him hints, after nobody is good at the exact same thing you are, and maybe we're better than you at some things, just don't judge us because of experience

I just believe that on Castle, the two best starts are either rage swords or an archer + sword, of course the rage swords (or spammed swords without rage) can be alot more deadly, but would take more time, since the swords queue up, while the archer + sword gets out quicker because they are on different queues.

So on castle, you can either get a very powerful offense with swords or a less powerful, but quicker offense with archer + sword. The small size favours archer + sword in my mind though.

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I just believe that on Castle, the two best starts are either rage swords or an archer + sword, of course the rage swords (or spammed swords without rage) can be alot more deadly, but would take more time, since the swords queue up, while the archer + sword gets out quicker because they are on different queues.

So on castle, you can either get a very powerful offense with swords or a less powerful, but quicker offense with archer + sword. The small size favours archer + sword in my mind though.

Yeah, you believe. On short map sword rage, is near the end of my lists of openings to start on short maps. And If u thought I was saying about spamming, you got it all wrong. Btw, the strat is the start WyzDM uses.

thnx this was effective

One for short maps that I still have difficulty with is the castle archer kite... It's really effective against sword rage start. The idea is to make a castle archer and an archer before your enemy gets rage; then, with the single archer, kite into range of castle archer and let castle archer finish off 2 or 3 of your swords at the cost of a miner. If they try to run, lure them in again. If their swords use the stand option, simply use the archer to kill from a distance.

I started with 2 swords 1 miner and got killed by this one... I thought he was going to turtle, and sprung for a spearton instead.

But theoretically speaking, would sword rage start kill the start above if I had simply spammed swords?

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One for short maps that I still have difficulty with is the castle archer kite... It's really effective against sword rage start. The idea is to make a castle archer and an archer before your enemy gets rage; then, with the single archer, kite into range of castle archer and let castle archer finish off 2 or 3 of your swords at the cost of a miner. If they try to run, lure them in again. If their swords use the stand option, simply use the archer to kill from a distance.

I started with 2 swords 1 miner and got killed by this one... I thought he was going to turtle, and sprung for a spearton instead.

But theoretically speaking, would sword rage start kill the start above if I had simply spammed swords?

Rage swords need a tank, so you kinda need either a spearton early game or a giant late-game or else it isn't effective, unless you're at the beginning of the game, but if he goes for the turtle from the beginning with a castle archer, he wasted 300 gold on a castle archer. You can use that for miners instead. This will lead to you having a better economy and army for a little bit. 3 swords will beat a spearton (what turtles usually go for) and survive if you micro them right. They don't even need rage.

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Rage swords need a tank, so you kinda need either a spearton early game or a giant late-game or else it isn't effective, unless you're at the beginning of the game, but if he goes for the turtle from the beginning with a castle archer, he wasted 300 gold on a castle archer. You can use that for miners instead. This will lead to you having a better economy and army for a little bit. 3 swords will beat a spearton (what turtles usually go for) and survive if you micro them right. They don't even need rage.

I thought he would turtle; so I spammed miners for speartons. Then, he made an archer to kite my swords into range of the castle archer. I lost 1 sword and all 3 left were badly injured, so I garrisoned them. He then proceeded to attack, almost kill one miner before my swords came out (half-healed) and then kite all 3 back to his side of the map, in range of his castle archer. I lost another sword. By now, he had 3 miners while I had 5, but he had an army and I was left with two almost-dead swords that had to be garrisoned. I didn't make more swords when my first was killed because I was making a miner for the spearton. By the end of it, we had an equal economy and he had the better army.

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I thought he would turtle; so I spammed miners for speartons. Then, he made an archer to kite my swords into range of the castle archer. I lost 1 sword and all 3 left were badly injured, so I garrisoned them. He then proceeded to attack, almost kill one miner before my swords came out (half-healed) and then kite all 3 back to his side of the map, in range of his castle archer. I lost another sword. By now, he had 3 miners while I had 5, but he had an army and I was left with two almost-dead swords that had to be garrisoned. I didn't make more swords when my first was killed because I was making a miner for the spearton. By the end of it, we had an equal economy and he had the better army.

Yea, don't fight an archer with swords, unless you have rage, there's no way they're catching up without taking serious damage, and swords will never survive a castle archer for long.

hmmm... why don't you play starcraft?

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hmmm... why don't you play starcraft?

wat?