Ok, as the topic says, how to beat albowtross and ninja masser...?
Recently I met a guy who did that in ranked matches

1st match I lost because I didn't expect he used that tactic
2nd match I also lost because I tried to giant mass but failed :P
3rd match I gave up and copied his tactic and by using economy difference I won (lol)

So.... this combo seems unbeatable
Raging swordwraths can kill ninjas mass but his albowtross will kill them
Magikill can anti-albowtross but ninjas pwn him
Giants seems anti-both of them, but when 7-8 ninjas shinobi level 2, your level 2 giant's HP will be halved instantly and the backup albowtross quickly pwnt them
so... what stuffs on earth can defeat this combo?

I know, you can stop them by economic harassment, but what if it is on damned grass hill? (econ harass is hard on long map, I failed in 2nd match because of this :( )
And suppose both sides have similar economic strength, who will win?

Now I want a solution for this type of massing, plz suggest some methrod?

Ninjalbow is the most powerful Order combo. You have to stop the build before it's complete, or outmacro him. Otherwise, it is near undefeatable.

spaming swords and albow seems to work^^ swords are cheap and albow kill ninjas but just a suggestion doesnt even work to well for me^^

Mass Albow?
And walls?

Lol. The weakness of ninja and albow is their training time and cost. Get spear archer and alot of archers especially so the ninjas will die very easily. Also get magikill to poison all of them. It most likely not hit all the ninjas so get a miner wall near the centre too.( on big maps.)

I once won (on a medium map, the swamp one) by spamming swords and archidons and having 2 fully grown giants and a magikill (who hid behind two miner walls. I let him take the center, but my rage swords and archers would push him away. He eventually rushed for my statue, where my walls stopped him and my magikill poisoned half his army. I had castle archers tear through his ninjas (along with my raged swords) and then the albows were trivial to deal with. He then closed his client thinking it would get an OOS or something like that, but I got the win.

lol.... an other weakness is also there population.....both 4! And I think the best combo is giant+albow+magikill+merics...( ok, this isnt really a combo, its an army...)

And here: I use shadowrath mass strat: www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1974268&version=1.68
Funnyfingers tried to mass, I countered: www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1974328&version=1.68

Hope it helped ^^

How about pressure? Attack his eco early. This can be done on all maps exept Grasslands.

For Grasslands, go full Fattygoat style; he wont fight for center at the beguinning, so it is the PERFECT time to turtle; start 2 miner 1 sword, then build a sword, move to center, and leave there.

Mass miners, then mage, then giant/merics.

Push for game

GG

archer mass with some giants usually works

Straight out albow mass can beat this, but albow mass is useless unless you opponent does this. :P

EDITS: Can I see a replay?
And wouldn't a spearton rush beat this?

Quote from 40fy

Straight out albow mass can beat this, but albow mass is useless unless you opponent does this. :P

EDITS: Can I see a replay?
And wouldn't a spearton rush beat this?

then I guess they will make ninjas attack there miners. I would beat ninjas and albow by speartons, ninjas, and archers. ninjas kill there ninjas while archers finish them, and speartons protect them while they also kill albows. IF there are any ninjas I have left, I send them to kill enemy miners.

Swords and arch plus magi kill with poison
Rage his shadows before they become many.
Your archidons have to be close to second row to pressure the opponent with the shadows moving faster than the opponent can click. By the time the opponent has a shadow and/Or albow with upgrades of any kind I will already have my ghost unit and arches poking his walls (no homo) even if he targets my archidons my swords will tea bag his shadow and meat shield his albows.

This build requires a lot of time and mana. You really have to be pressing in harder early before they have too many of either unit. Otherwise it's a very powerful build.

Damnit wyzdm. How come whenever you post everyone has to agree with you, and as a result the thread dies?

Quote from Maxchiang .

How about pressure? Attack his eco early. This can be done on all maps exept Grasslands.

For Grasslands, go full Fattygoat style; he wont fight for center at the beguinning, so it is the PERFECT time to turtle; start 2 miner 1 sword, then build a sword, move to center, and leave there.

Mass miners, then mage, then giant/merics.

Push for game

GG

Hum... I guess he will kill me while I am camping, albowtross+ninjas is good for econ harasss
Ghost+albowtross for walls, ninjas with shinobi for miners

P.S. After reading all your comments, ninjas+albowtross is really unbeatable lol
So what will happen if both players have similar economy strength and they use the same tactic :o ?