Creation or Evolution

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Jul 29, 2013 8:54 PM #1051756
So, there have been hundreds of these threads, I'm sure..
Creation over evolution, what is it?
I don't wanna hear no stupid "God made us, I don't care." No I want a logical reason over creation and evolution. I won't go over my belief and will try and argue for both sides as much as I can.
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Jul 29, 2013 9:14 PM #1051771
Evolution is known to occur, it's a fact that isn't up for debate and an official acknowledgement of its existence has been signed by ~13,500 clergymen and rabbis.
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Jul 29, 2013 10:08 PM #1051815
Pretty much what Exilement said. I also don't buy into a god creating all of these things since I have yet to see any "logical reason" supporting creationism, unlike evolution.
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Jul 29, 2013 10:39 PM #1051834
Well I do think there is some sort of evolution, i don't think we just appeared from some godly figure.

But i also believe when we die we go somewhere. Nobody will ever truly know the truth until we die, and when we die we can't tell anyone living. So no living person will ever truly know.
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Jul 29, 2013 11:25 PM #1051865
I agree with Boomerang.

Although I do believe that the human race was created by evolution, we do have to go somewhere when we die. I don't think God created the Earth, but I believe he still exists.
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Jul 30, 2013 12:59 AM #1051939
Well.
I'll have to be honest, I for oneself do not have any proof that everything was simply created.
However.
I do not fully believe that it was evolution on it's own that made things appear.
Lets go back in time. Life st first was simple single celled organisms. According to modern science these where formed "by coincidence" due to the right substances occurring at the right time at the right place forming complex chemical reactions which created life, from which more complex and adapted organisms evolved with time. Now here's how I see it: Yes it is all true, however all this did not occur on it's own. The odds of life appearing simply by coincidence are too small and mathematically, therefore logically, negligible. So there must me some omnipotent being that utilized these substance to create life and also control evolution. This being probably being God.
Now as for humans evolving from monkeys, this might be true according to what I said, but religion states that man was made out of clay and dirt. Now we can assume that this dirt contained a lot of micro organisms that god utilized and made evolve into man directly, no monkeys involved.
Evolution is probably true, but did not happen all by itself.
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Jul 30, 2013 1:33 AM #1051993
Quote from Ahmad
So there must me some omnipotent being that utilized these substance to create life and also control evolution. This being probably being God.


om·nip·o·tent
/ämˈnipətənt/
Adjective
(of a deity) Having unlimited power; able to do anything.
Noun
God.
Synonyms
almighty - all-powerful

If God were both omnipotent and omniscient(which supposedly he is) the only reason suffering exists is because he enjoys it. Either your god is cruel and twisted, or not quite as all-mighty as you might think.

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Now as for humans evolving from monkeys, this might be true according to what I said, but religion states that man was made out of clay and dirt. Now we can assume that this dirt contained a lot of micro organisms that god utilized and made evolve into man directly, no monkeys involved.


Humans did not evolve from monkeys, that is a common misconception. Humans were never monkeys, but we have a common ancestor.

Your reasoning seems to be "science doesn't have all the answers, therefore God must exist". I have never understood the logic behind this reasoning and can't see why not knowing something somehow proves the existence of a deity.
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Jul 30, 2013 1:46 AM #1052005
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If God were both omnipotent and omniscient(which supposedly he is) the only reason suffering exists is because he enjoys it.


Bad things happen because, humans cause them. According to Christianity, these things happen because, humans do them and humans have free will. Again, according to Christianity there is both a purpose for these things and humans must stop it. We aren't supposed to expect God to solve everything for us because, it will just happen again. Humans must learn and stop for themselves (with the aid of God and The Holy Spirit) to advance.

*Everything after "According to Christianity IS according to Christianity. I am clarifying something. MOVE ALONG.
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Jul 30, 2013 2:52 AM #1052056
The point of my post wasn't that he causes bad things to happen, I'm saying bad things shouldn't exist in the first place if he really was someone who gave two shits about us. If he is omnipotent, omniscient and good, evil would not exist in the first place.
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Jul 30, 2013 3:44 AM #1052089
I'm christian, but im not a heavy christian so I wouldn't know that much. BUT, i do think that God isn't evil, though there are times where even i think he is if he truly exists. I think he wants people to learn there lessons of what Is wrong instead of just giving them everything. I do agree however, that people that don't deserve it shouldn't have horrible lives like that. Which is why I wonder if he exists. I think there's something past this life, because i know I've seen ghosts and such, though, like Isaid, nobody can known for sure if there's a God, no living person anyway.

I do believe, if God does exist, this is his sick twisted way of making us learn lessons.
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Jul 30, 2013 4:25 AM #1052136
I personally think we're on Earth to discover the secrets of our world and universe so we can improve the people's knowledge for the better of the future.
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Jul 30, 2013 4:33 PM #1052700
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The odds of life appearing simply by coincidence are too small and mathematically, therefore logically, negligible.


[citation needed]

If you think modern science simply assumes that it was one big coincidence, then quit trying to discuss this topic until you watch this:

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Jul 30, 2013 6:39 PM #1052805
Having come from a religious home, I've been shielded from anything about real science, and taught young earth Creation my whole life. After recently reading The God Delusion, The Greatest Show on Earth, and Atheism and The Case Against Christ, I can pretty much say I believe in Evolution and Science.

The idea of gods in general were created by man to explain supernatural things that at the time they had no other explanation for. Then modern science comes along and is able to explain things like lightning, or solar eclipses, or how the stars are aligned, or any other of a thousand other things, and there's no longer a need for a god to fill in the gaps.

Now I'm fascinated by anything about science, and can't get enough of it.
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Jul 30, 2013 8:05 PM #1052853
Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive so I don't know why it's always either one. But in reality evolution is way more credible that creationism with way more evidence.
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Jul 30, 2013 8:22 PM #1052859
In discussions like this when people say "Creationism" in opposition to evolution they usually mean Young-Earth Creationism, which is virtually defined by the fact that it rejects evolution. Many scientifically literate creationists hold a belief similar to the idea that God just created the first single-celled organism and let it go from there, or just that he purposely put the right chemicals in the primordial soup so that they would form into the first organism. That's what you're talking about, right?