The Forgotten Chaos Strategy CvO

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Aug 10, 2013 10:12 PM #1062370
CAUTION: LONG READ

Opening Build:

Buy 2 Crawlers and 2 Miners. Make the miners mine the gold on either end of the field, not the center. Gold comes in faster this way. Send the first Crawler to the Center Tower the instant it is built. By this point your next crawler should be heading out and your gold from the first two miners should be deposited.

Reaction to their opening:

Spearton (Click to Show)

Singular Sword (Click to Show)

Multiple Swords (Click to Show)

Constant Swords (Click to Show)

Singular Archidon (Click to Show)

Archidon Masser (Click to Show)

Archidon and Swordwrath (Click to Show)

Continuous Archidons and Swordwrath (Click to Show)

Turtler (Click to Show)


Mid Game:

At this point generally you have the Tower with a few crawlers and 4 Miners. A rush on their economy with only crawlers will likely prove useless due to the Castle Archer. Buy 3 Miners as soon as possible. Set the first one that comes out to praying and the other two to gold. Get an early Juggerknight and send it to the center. At this point, one of a few things will most likely be happening:

They have begun to turtle (Click to Show)

They have a larger army (Click to Show)


Late Game:
Generally, you are in a better position at this point. One of four things may have happened:

They are a great turtler (Click to Show)

They plan on rushing my statue! (Click to Show)

Their micro defeated mine! (Click to Show)

They massed a unit I don't know how to deal with! (Click to Show)


End Game:
Hopefully you crushed them with this strategy. It seems to work for me about 8/10 times when I play, and I'm in the 1800's at the moment, so it seems effective for this level. I have no clue how it will work at higher levels. Any suggestions to make this better or errors to point out?
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Aug 11, 2013 4:41 AM #1062620
Wow then you would die without going to mid game if your gonna use that vs archer sword, archer masser, constant swords, and continuous archer sword. Attack the archer first dude. 3 crawlers can't defeat archer also dude. U wasted 2 bombs. They splited their swords.
Also, my understanding of larger army, means, they have 12 miners miner hustle 4 on mana, you have 8 miners 4 miners on mana without miner hustle, you have 1 eclipsor 1 jugger, i have 4 archers 2 spears 2 merics. Done.
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Aug 11, 2013 5:06 AM #1062641
I love how you somehow magically trump every strategy ever posted... Remind me again why you aren't ranked #1 again? This strategy has had me win again and again against Order players.
You're right on Archer Sword. I miss-posted and will fix that as soon as I'm done posting here.
As for archer masser, it always works. If they split their archers providing your micro sucks you still just gained a 150 gold head-start on them. The remaining 3 crawlers can take down an archer if micro'd correctly. It's quite effective I might add. Constant swords... hmmm... if they do split their units, I'll just murder them with my crawlers and hold the bombs back. My Bomber and Medusa micro is ridiculously good. If any of his other units try to help the sword I'm targeting, they die and I have the advantage. As for the continuous archer sword... no s*** Sherlock. That's exactly what I said in the spoiler. You probably will lose if they know what they are doing.
How exactly do you figure that I'm going to let you have that kind of a set up? Provided I do get the center, which is fairly likely, your economy will probably be 1-2 miners higher than mine. A slight advantage to you. We would tech up at nearly the same rate with my bonus of the center tower. Considering the fact that (most) Chaos units are built faster than their Order counterparts, if anything I should have more units than you. Nowhere in my strategy did I say I limited myself to the first row of gold. Just the opposite. Read it again. I don't see how you figure you can just magically poof up some units and beat a strategy. I noted this one's weaknesses as well as strengths. If you would care to explain how you somehow managed not to be harassed economically and built up an army 4 times as good as mine, I'll send my rebuttal then.
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Aug 11, 2013 5:20 AM #1062650
I'm talking top 50 here, your talking 1800s in top 50 1 archer wins 3 crawlers. You only have 3 crawlers, and i have 2 swords and 1 coming. So you buy 2 bombs. I have 3 swords at the time. I just use 2 swords attack you, 1 behind. If yo use your 2 bombs, i immediately split. So, i win.
You don't have to know my set up. You just have to know what i start with. That's all. Done. In short maps, chaos is a definitely loss to multiple archers. Even in pro levels.
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Aug 11, 2013 5:35 AM #1062656
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I'm talking top 50 here, your talking 1800s in top 50 1 archer wins 3 crawlers. You only have 3 crawlers, and i have 2 swords and 1 coming. So you buy 2 bombs. I have 3 swords at the time. I just use 2 swords attack you, 1 behind. If yo use your 2 bombs, i immediately split. So, i win.
You don't have to know my set up. You just have to know what i start with. That's all. Done. In short maps, chaos is a definitely loss to multiple archers. Even in pro levels.


And I'm talking 1800's. The thread is based around the fact. I even said I had no clue how it would match up against high ranking players. Did you even bother to read my strategy? I said exactly how to counter a split before. You can't focus on crawlers with a melee unit while they are split. I would have to know your setup to make a rebuttal, otherwise this turns into a game that children play, where you can instantly trump anything put out. As for short maps to multiple archers, not always. with a sufficient meatshield and micro you can blow them all to bits. The problem about short maps with archers is that there is less room to kite. The amount of damage a meatshield would take wouldn't be enough to go through it completely. If you want me to break this down to it's base level where I show gold cost for every unit and how it would play out, I could do it, though I don't want to waste an hour on such a small detail.
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Aug 11, 2013 7:49 AM #1062752
Wow ever played pro level?
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Aug 11, 2013 9:08 AM #1062795
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Wow ever played pro level?


Ever not annoyed every single person around here? Ever tried reading?

Oh wait I forgot you're the best player ever that could beat everyone but magically not #1.
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Aug 11, 2013 9:33 AM #1062803
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Ever not annoyed every single person around here? Ever tried reading?

Oh wait I forgot you're the best player ever that could beat everyone but magically not #1.


Everybody has weaknesses. Mine is order vs order on short map, and that's a really big one.
I did, and do you want me to write a long message about how order is seriously OP in short maps like castle?
Well, i'll just tell you one fact for now. If you want to know about more like how getting bombers suck when tou only have 3 crawlers, say it.
2 crawlers with 3 bombers or 3 cats with 2 bombers only kills one archer in two archers with only 1 cat escaping. If your attacking miners, the most you can do is 1 or two, with none surviving
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Aug 11, 2013 1:48 PM #1062940
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Everybody has weaknesses. Mine is order vs order on short map, and that's a really big one.


Ha, lol, mines too ^^ I cant really handle Order on short map... but I will train to vanish my weakness ^^ ya should do it too ^^
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Aug 11, 2013 10:17 PM #1063208
The lesson here is that stick man should have a muffle to prevent all these negative comments,

on the topic Good job forgotten, im too lazy to remember some now all I have to do is read this :)
and that, stickman is positive ever heard of it?
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Aug 12, 2013 11:23 AM #1063565
hohoho this really helped me!
Replay:www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay2177804&version=1.69

thanx man
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Aug 13, 2013 1:20 AM #1064076
How do you kite with crawlers?
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Aug 14, 2013 2:42 AM #1064991
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And I'm talking 1800's. The thread is based around the fact. I even said I had no clue how it would match up against high ranking players. Did you even bother to read my strategy? I said exactly how to counter a split before. You can't focus on crawlers with a melee unit while they are split. I would have to know your setup to make a rebuttal, otherwise this turns into a game that children play, where you can instantly trump anything put out. As for short maps to multiple archers, not always. with a sufficient meatshield and micro you can blow them all to bits. The problem about short maps with archers is that there is less room to kite. The amount of damage a meatshield would take wouldn't be enough to go through it completely. If you want me to break this down to it's base level where I show gold cost for every unit and how it would play out, I could do it, though I don't want to waste an hour on such a small detail.

I'm going to pick a side to this discussion using ancient methods of deduction passed down to me from my elders and my elders' elders. Eenie meenie... Ah screw it ill just say that the game has changed a bit since you've been away.
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Aug 14, 2013 3:08 AM #1065008
I've just thought of something very interesting.

What if you get 2 crawlers while order player gets a spearton, and he attacks your miners, while you garrison and attack his, and he also garrisons? Then it would be a waiting war; both of you can't get the miners out without getting them killed, and both of you don't have the gold to make another unit.

It would probably be a very interesting fight...
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Aug 14, 2013 3:34 AM #1065022
This is assuming opponent goes spearton early which is in the lower ranking range I believe.