Omg hewbro I didn't know I can't irc :(

Yeah I didn't take anything into consideration other than what was in the anim. And I did not count sunglasses as bonus points lol. Or one sound effect.

I'm actually okay with my score I know that the effort put into my animation and the time spent on it were very low so I understand my score and at that I have the lowest score! :> and I am okay with that so everyone don't be so upset :D regardless of your score or critique if you know you put your all into it then it shouldn't matter....

Heeeey i wasn't around for the debate so i'd like to add my 2 cents...

If Arch-angel has decided to not judge the next round i think that's for the best. just based on his post i can tell he is very unproffesional and the way he got so defensive leads me to believe that he gave purposely partial scores and he knows it. first i'd like to say when i first saw his ratings i didn't think "CONSPIRACY!! I GOT A 7??? I WANT A 10!!!" instead i just thought "hmm.. judge 1 is hard to please..."
but then i noticed the inconsistence in the scores... amature animations were getting higher scores then animations with complicated cinematics and what not. (not gonna name the anims in order to protect feelings).
i don't care if Arch says he did it because "the combo was interrupted by dialogue" or whatever, it was an unfair score.
Arch-angel appears to be trying to choose the winners based on his personal opinions, as opposed to what animation was actually better. i've seen Arch-angel act very biased in the past so it doesn't surprise me that he did the same in this contest. his vote was a 3rd of the final score. i may have gotten first if there was a different judge because based on past encounters i know Arch-angel doesn't like me personally. its never good to have a biased judge dislike you. that's why when he revealed himself as judge 1 my first thought was "oh.. that explains my low score". i'm not complaining about my score and i'm not asking it to be rejudged. after all i did get 2nd place despite Arch-angels attempts and i'm very grateful. but i'd like to point something out in example of his corruption..
Lets compare mine to FL-Nordins, which by the way, *mwwwHAA* beautiful buddy! there was some controversy between our animations and the verdict was that it would be a close call.
which based on the other judges opinions, it was. but then there's Arch-angels....
a 7.3 for me compared to a 9.7 for FL-Nordin is not a close call. FL-Nordin deserved every bit of that 9.7 but after i compared those 2 animations scores i think its a safe bet that the only reason i got a 7.3 is because of Arch-angels personal opinion of me. he's obviously biased and partial. i feel like i should be sorry that he had to be insulted and ridiculed to get to this point but after his hatred filled post i realize he deserves it.

Anyways, Cami, i want you to know that we don't blame you or Tsang at all, but if Arch-angel doesn't step down from judging i think its in the competitions best interest that he's replaced.
sorry there's all these politics that got in the away of the fun part of BSE but i'd like to say thanks again for 2nd place! :) that's the hardest i've worked on a BSE entry and it was well worth it :D

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I'll go ahead and say it; I'm the infamous judge one. So anyone who wants to raise a fist can politely shut the fuck up and stop bitching about "conspiracies" and "bias". I don't know any of the animator sir their previous animations. The ones I do know I don't talk to so I'm not Efriends with them. I based the scores off of the four or five highest rating animators, not my personal standards. If you think you have room to complain about what the fuck I ranked your animation or your friends and you also think that giving people less than a 1 point rating is harsh and unfair then you're a ducking moron. Why would I give someone more than one point when they couldn't even finish? That's stupid.

I'm sure I said it in my criticism page, but I mainly ranked the animations on how entertaining they were and how creative they were. Not on how well they were animated.

Also, to end this. If you think I should have given someone extra points for a butt fucking retarded animation style that might have been fun to watch five+ years ago then shit up and stop bitching. How many full length animations use that style? Go ahead and volunteer to judge next round since I probably won't be around, Yun. That way all of your friends and lense flare whores can get higher scores than people who actually tried.

Oh yeah camila, it took about 6 hours straight on the night Bse ended for me to get everything straight. Man I suck lol

Edit 2: I'll reiterate for Nhazul. I based every entry off of the best scoring once a. Don't be butt hurt because more than one person was able to make fucking insanely executed combos and incorporate three dimensional backgrounds and effects into their animation. Don't be upset because people are more creative than you.

Last edit: I'll explain any question or defend any statement you make only via pm. Don't spam the thread with whining you whiners.

Thanks for giving me a great score, I didn't mean anything I said, sorry, I take it all back, thanks
I'll shut the f**k up now, :)

I don't even remember who you are bro. I explained in the criticism that I have you about how I fucking loved the animation but it wasn't a combo.

I guess of you think I was being unprofessional then whatever. You sound pretty bias too with that statement lol.

I'll say for the forth time now. Scores were based on the appeal of the animation and what it contained rather than quality. Quality was a big part of what was taken into account but so was effort. New animators shouldn't feel discouraged when they see people like Nordin and yourself. All I did was open another door to help them score higher that way of they stick around for all ten rounds they stand a chance for actually wanting to participate. The cute thing about that is I didn't only open a door for new animators. Some combos were really well animated but they were boring to watch. Some were not as high in animation quality but were cool in their own ways.

So yeah. I'm such a bad guy. I curse and give Tun less points because he's a brony.

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I don't even remember who you are bro. I explained in the criticism that I have you about how I fucking loved the animation but it wasn't a combo.

I guess of you think I was being unprofessional then whatever. You sound pretty bias too with that statement lol.

I'll say for the forth time now. Scores were based on the appeal of the animation and what it contained rather than quality. Quality was a big part of what was taken into account but so was effort. New animators shouldn't feel discouraged when they see people like Nordin and yourself. All I did was open another door to help them score higher that way of they stick around for all ten rounds they stand a chance for actually wanting to participate. The cute thing about that is I didn't only open a door for new animators. Some combos were really well animated but they were boring to watch. Some were not as high in animation quality but were cool in their own ways.

So yeah. I'm such a bad guy. I curse and give Tun less points because he's a brony.

if i remember correctly i think you called me a jesus freak or something a while ago leading me to believe, yeah we weren't exactly friends... even if you claim my low score wasn't based on your personal opinion of me i still stick by saying your scores were at the very least based off your personal preference and not the criteria camila said we would be judged on. no dialogue and limited interruptions was not something we were supposed to get higher scores for. you can't just make up your own rules when everyone is trying to animate based off what we were told we'd would be judged on.
your job wasn't to coddle the less experienced animators, or as you say, "open doors for them to score higher", its to be impartial no matter what. you tried to manipulate the competition to what you thought it should be and there's plenty of proof to my statement in this post of yours saying that you wanted to "open doors" to the less experienced animators.
for those that don't read between the lines, by "open doors" Arch means "change the judging system so new animators can get scores they don't exactly deserve".

side note- not trying to put down the less experienced animators, i must sound pretty douchey and i know everyone has to start some where, i just don't think giving unfair scores is the best way to lift them up.

Sorry dabig. But I agree with AA's scores.

Let me be honest here, I'm pretty sure that if we take all these entries to he past versions there will be 3-4 entries with a score lower than 4, and you know why is that? Because I think that all the pasrs versions were about a good-looking animation. You could've put effort into an animation for a whole month, but you lost the round because some pro guy animated a badass animation in 5 hours.

I think that is unfair, we all know already who is a better "animator" compared to others, and we all know already what are they capable of, so I want to balance the things a little bit, let's see what hasn't been evaluated yet, combo fluidity and effort were one of them. So I included them in the little sheet for the judges. So this round will be based on hour creativity, quality and effort, and Arch will not be here for the next 3 months, but I tell you, when he gets back I will use him as a judge, because he points your weaknesses and evaluates the worst of your anims, to make you realize where and in what are you failing.

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Sorry dabig. But I agree with AA's scores.

Let me be honest here, I'm pretty sure that if we take all these entries to he past versions there will be 3-4 entries with a score lower than 4, and you know why is that? Because I think that all the pasrs versions were about a good-looking animation. You could've put effort into an animation for a whole month, but you lost the round because some pro guy animated a badass animation in 5 hours.

I think that is unfair, we all know already who is a better "animator" compared to others, and we all know already what are they capable of, so I want to balance the things a little bit, let's see what hasn't been evaluated yet, combo fluidity and effort were one of them. So I included them in the little sheet for the judges. So this round will be based on hour creativity, quality and effort, and Arch will not be here for the next 3 months, but I tell you, when he gets back I will use him as a judge, because he points your weaknesses and evaluates the worst of your anims, to make you realize where and in what are you failing.

then in the future can you pleaaaaaase be more specific with how we will be judged.
if the best animation doesn't win then we should know so i can focus on my making my animation more rule based instead of overall enjoyable.

So is this thread going to be locked soon?

The moral of the story is never give the little man a chance or may the elitist and arrogant "pros" strike you down like the villain you are not.

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then in the future can you pleaaaaaase be more specific with how we will be judged.
if the best animation doesn't win then we should know so i can focus on my making my animation more rule based instead of overall enjoyable.

So let me know if I'm wrong. What in getting is you want to be told that on a competition that requires you to animate a combo you need to be told that it isn't let's say a ten hit combo of one guy gets hit 7 times and the other 3? I'm pretty sure they switched the combo next round so some of you guys will be fine. I'm pretty sure if I was only looking at how the animation looked I wouldn't take that into consideration. You fucked up. Deal with it. You have all of the potential in the world I get full 10s next round and I'm sure I said that in my critique. You're over analyzing my statements and trying to twist my words but you're wrong.

The people that are complaining the most are the ones who should have scored 9+. Yun is lazy, Nhazul lazier, and you fucked up the combo in the combo competition.

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then in the future can you pleaaaaaase be more specific with how we will be judged.
if the best animation doesn't win then we should know so i can focus on my making my animation more rule based instead of overall enjoyable.

"It's a very simple yet fun idea, you will be given a sequence of moves and a ”special element” that must be performed in a combo. The combo is being performed by ONE stickfigure against another stickfigure. The special element can be anything from superpowers and special weapons, to different environments and music synchronization. "
I'm sorry man, but you started the combo with one dude and finished with the other, which means you didn't really complete the given combo (at least to my understanding), and you were marked down for it, wheres the problem?
Also why is Arch the only one getting shit, I got a 7.5 and an 8... I deserve neither of those. I don't mind people calling out Arch but why aren't the other two being called out to?

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So let me know if I'm wrong. What in getting is you want to be told that on a competition that requires you to animate a combo you need to be told that it isn't let's say a ten hit combo of one guy gets hit 7 times and the other 3? I'm pretty sure they switched the combo next round so some of you guys will be fine. I'm pretty sure if I was only looking at how the animation looked I wouldn't take that into consideration. You fucked up. Deal with it. You have all of the potential in the world I get full 10s next round and I'm sure I said that in my critique. You're over analyzing my statements and trying to twist my words but you're wrong.

The people that are complaining the most are the ones who should have scored 9+. Yun is lazy, Nhazul lazier, and you fucked up the combo in the combo competition.

i asked Camila if it was fine for the attacker to switch over and she said that for this round only it was allowed. Were you aware of this when you were judging? i didn't fuck up. i was told i wouldn't be given a lower score for the way i executed the combo but i guess that wasn't true.

The moral of the story is never give the little man a chance or may the elitist and arrogant "pros" strike you down like the villain you are not.

thanks for taking my words out of context and making me sound like a jerk. all i meant is it feels a little like being punished for being experienced.


Edit- i already said i was happy with my score. 2nd place is no reason to whine. so don't think i'm saying all this to try and get a better score or something. i just want everyone to get scores that they deserve. effort, creativity, quality. i saw animations that had all that but got lower scores because they didn't keep a consistent combo. when it was already said that, for round 1 only, you could be a little more loose with the combo and how it was executed.

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So let me know if I'm wrong. What in getting is you want to be told that on a competition that requires you to animate a combo you need to be told that it isn't let's say a ten hit combo of one guy gets hit 7 times and the other 3? I'm pretty sure they switched the combo next round so some of you guys will be fine. I'm pretty sure if I was only looking at how the animation looked I wouldn't take that into consideration. You fucked up. Deal with it. You have all of the potential in the world I get full 10s next round and I'm sure I said that in my critique. You're over analyzing my statements and trying to twist my words but you're wrong.

The people that are complaining the most are the ones who should have scored 9+. Yun is lazy, Nhazul lazier, and you fucked up the combo in the combo competition.

Alright man. I was fine with my score, I never once complained about it. It was a speed animation as I said, and I had a lot of fun doing it. How about enough with the name calling. Why are you bringing my name up out of nowhere calling me lazy and shit? Hopefully they teach you some actual leadership skills and integrity in basic, because this is getting ridiculous. How about you quit being such an unlikable dude already. I don't understand how Camila sticks up for your BS.