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Not many people remember that against "extreme dashy bashy mid carries" it's better to get an anti-carry champion instead of a mage or assassin

Example

I remember when I was mid lane with the opponent going LeBlanc (she was even skinned) and me going Lissandra

I basically shat on her

Whenever she tried to jump on me, I simply had to W her to stop her "jukes"
When she tried to farm, I poked her out of the lane
When she tried to push the lane hard trying to roam, I waited for my jungler and pratically locked her down with R + W (and a good amount of Q)
When she tried to get kills in teamfights, R + W + Team going 'Murica on her

Same thing happens with other popular carries: Zed, Ahri, Akali; if they get Liss in lane, they're gonna have a lot of damn hard time
But it's not like Liss is the new god: she gets countered by long range mages (the range of her spells is quite short)
What I want to say is that, in the case you get in a lane with someone who carries hard and snowballs tremendously, anti-carry champions are a good possibility

For those who might misunderstand me, for anti-carry I don't mean (as usually other people do) assassins, but champions who can hinder both the growth and the job of carries (assassin's too, since they are somewhat of a carry (examples: akali, kassadin, yi, ecc.))
Anti-carry are champs like Vi, Jarvan, Morde, Urgot, ecc.

That's good advice. But to be fair I wasn't mid lane in the game I was talking about. I actually have a pretty good track record laning against her, since she's so common, even though she hard counters my mid main. So whenever bans are involved in the game I ask for her to be banned, which she is 9/10 games I ask. Early game as Vel'Koz it's all about farming as well as you can until you back and get the chalice. Once you have the chalice you can actually poke and trade. If she fucks up and takes one of your cycles you can usually drop her with an ultimate. But that's all based on her making bad decisions. Generally you'll be on the losing end of that matchup as Vel.

I feel like when the only counter play is *Don't let them get out of hand* that makes the champion toxic.

But with Leblanc and Fizz being such popular bans, Vel'Koz is totally viable. Because they're as popular to ban as they are popular to play.

Speaking of champions that are popular, I don't mind laning vs Azir as Vel'Koz.

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That's good advice. But to be fair I wasn't mid lane in the game I was talking about. I actually have a pretty good track record laning against her, since she's so common, even though she hard counters my mid main. So whenever bans are involved in the game I ask for her to be banned, which she is 9/10 games I ask. Early game as Vel'Koz it's all about farming as well as you can until you back and get the chalice. Once you have the chalice you can actually poke and trade. If she fucks up and takes one of your cycles you can usually drop her with an ultimate. But that's all based on her making bad decisions. Generally you'll be on the losing end of that matchup as Vel.

I feel like when the only counter play is *Don't let them get out of hand* that makes the champion toxic.

But with Leblanc and Fizz being such popular bans, Vel'Koz is totally viable. Because they're as popular to ban as they are popular to play.

Speaking of champions that are popular, I don't mind laning vs Azir as Vel'Koz.

Quite an interesting combination (also quite uncommon)

pre six you'd both have an intense skill match, since they both have long range
However, if Velkoz has a litle upper hand pre 6, Azir has it post 6, to then go into mid-late game skill match up

Simply put, Velkoz can spam his abilities, Azir cannot
However, Azir's ult (and E) not only counter yours, but can also put you onto bad position because of your lack of mobility (something Azir instead has)
But, if you manage to keep him away, he can't do much against you (maybe escape with his E)

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Quite an interesting combination (also quite uncommon)

pre six you'd both have an intense skill match, since they both have long range
However, if Velkoz has a litle upper hand pre 6, Azir has it post 6, to then go into mid-late game skill match up

Simply put, Velkoz can spam his abilities, Azir cannot
However, Azir's ult (and E) not only counter yours, but can also put you onto bad position because of your lack of mobility (something Azir instead has)
But, if you manage to keep him away, he can't do much against you (maybe escape with his E)

I don't see how Azir's ult counters Vel'Koz. Emperors divide only has a range of 250 while Life form disintegration ray has 1550. And shifting sands has to be done on one of his soldiers, which makes it predictable. If he's using it to come in on me he might as well be dashing right in on a Tectonic Disruption. If anything I see it the other way around. Where Vel'Koz has the advantage post 6.

I agree it's totally skill based though. Which is why I don't mind it. I just know most people absolutely hate laning against him, while I'm like, meh. Since he lets me farm up.


Play a few good games as Kennen in ARAM? First time on the rift Kennen? One hour and nineteen minutes game.
And what a game it was, I started top and my homie started Heimerdinger mid. Thought it would be Malphite top, Leblanc mid. Leblanc went top AD and Malphite went mid. Figuring out that Leblanc absolutely destroys my champion. My friend and I used teleport to quickly lane swap them all laning phase, ensuring they never got the matchup they wanted. The game ran on so long that I had to switch my build style a couple times to mix it up and we barely pulled out a victory, there was a point where they were attacking our nexus with baron minions. Closest longest game I've ever played.

After this one game I'm basically totally familiar with Kennens kit. Here's my build order.

I'm pretty sure every player was honored nine times.

How does top AD leblanc even work.

I hate this mmr..

Haha, I can't believe it worked so well!
My support was Gnar.

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How does top AD leblanc even work.

I'm not really sure, to be honest. I just know at 33/13/7 it's obviously no joke.

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I hate this mmr..

I don't understand what I'm looking at.

So I'm lacking context.

I made the research and apparently leblanc has the second highest AD per level in the entire game and her jukes and stuff are REALLY good against the usual melee top laner.

Keep in mind the article I read was probably season 3 or 4 meta so IDK.

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I made the research and apparently leblanc has the second highest AD per level in the entire game and her jukes and stuff are REALLY good against the usual melee top laner.

Keep in mind the article I read was probably season 3 or 4 meta so IDK.

Well she doesn't have the highest AD per level anymore. She has 3.5 per level, which although is impressive is beaten by a fair amount of champs, like both cho gath and skarner at 4.2 . Leblancs level 1 AD 54.88 and level 18 AD at 114.4 are pretty impressive beating many champions. It's crazy that she beats Kha'Zix in all but level 1 AD.

I still don't understand why build her full AD even for top lane. I bet she could make brutal use of a hextech gunblade and a lich's bane. Which would help her abilities as well.

Also I found the 5.3 patch notes pretty interesting, disregarding the fact that they continue to ignore Leblanc and her toxicity.
Kennen received a sizable buff. His W hits everyone standing in his R.

Edit: Scratch that, kennen is still too risky for too little reward. Even if you flash in you're going to get CC'd and deleted going in on the enemy team in this meta.

GOT BLOOD MOON ELISE on mystery gift by RIOT
Thanks RITO :D

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Well she doesn't have the highest AD per level anymore. She has 3.5 per level, which although is impressive is beaten by a fair amount of champs, like both cho gath and skarner at 4.2 . Leblancs level 1 AD 54.88 and level 18 AD at 114.4 are pretty impressive beating many champions. It's crazy that she beats Kha'Zix in all but level 1 AD.

I still don't understand why build her full AD even for top lane. I bet she could make brutal use of a hextech gunblade and a lich's bane. Which would help her abilities as well.

Also I found the 5.3 patch notes pretty interesting, disregarding the fact that they continue to ignore Leblanc and her toxicity.
Kennen received a sizable buff. His W hits everyone standing in his R.

Edit: Scratch that, kennen is still too risky for too little reward. Even if you flash in you're going to get CC'd and deleted going in on the enemy team in this meta.

You forgot about lovely "Jarfag over 9000"
and way other champions that need not to be nerfed, but to be balanced (like, kalista (from when people know about the "move and attack" command, she's a nightmare to play against))

Speaking of being countered:

I once played Veigar, against a Zed

That lane was not fun. Somehow I still won the lane, and ended up helping my team win the game.

And speaking of Kalista I think her leap should be affected by slows, it's affected by boots, why not SLOWS. I withered her as nasus and she still has 100% ms because all she does is leap.

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And speaking of Kalista I think her leap should be affected by slows, it's affected by boots, why not SLOWS. I withered her as nasus and she still has 100% ms because all she does is leap.

You know, that's a really good point.

Teemo could still wreck kalista.

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Teemo could still wreck kalista.

No, bruh you're wrong!

yOO I don't understand everyone's logic in Nemisis. Like wtf is the point in playing 5v5 support or boring champ games over and over again?
I try to give the other team interesting champs like Azir or Sion
I even gave an opponent Fizz- who gave me Janna so I went ad mid against him- because I LIKE a challenge (won lol)
this shet ticks me off seeing everyone pick the same champs every game; it was only funny the first time

-Irian's league rant of the day