This is my Chaos vs Order startegy (my ratng is 2106):
Start 2 craw/2 miners.
Keep making crawlers and miners.
If enemy
-sword mass,make 6 crawlers and start bombs
-archer mass make 3-4 crawlers and 3 bombs and attack them.
You Need amazing micro.If enemy still sword mass,make 2-3 eclipsors to kill them,than make deads.Or if you start winning keep on eclips.
If enemy keep on archer mass,made some medusas (for killing mages),eclipsors(i beated Riddick like that) and giants(longer defend).
LITTLE MAPS:
If you battle enemy FIRST TIME start with 2 miners.Then,when first 2 miners (you got it on start) get gold,you will got 350 gold,than buy castle dead.Than keep making bombs(hide them in castle/behind statue) and just attack miners.If enemy got archer,attack archer.So keep making bombs and miners and fast possible get 2 deads,than jugger than deads and juggers.You will easy beat him :).
When you battle sam enemy SECOND TIME 2 craw/2 miners cause your enemy will think that you gonna do the last strategy ^_^ well he is wrong :).Than mass crawlers:When you make 8 crawlers make bombs and just keep attacking and kill his army ^_^.Later just kep on deads and juggers and he is X_X :P.

Well that is mah CvO startegy.I think it gonna make you little better. P.S. my English is bad :(

I don't play chaos, so yeah. But...

1) castle dead? O_o.
2) 8 crawlers on castle? Gl with that...

Also, you say it like if they mass T1 units you can just tech up to several T2 units or a 400 mana unit.

But if you have 6 crawlers only I'll simply micro my swords sending one to the bombs to absorb them. Or rage fake.
You bring eclipsors I'll have my Albows and archer mix before they become a problem. Wall will be built before 3 archers.
Two Albows eventually with meric. Rage your deads. Build shadow shinobi 2. Magikill. Shouldn't need much else aside from two-3 spears

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But if you have 6 crawlers only I'll simply micro my swords sending one to the bombs to absorb them. Or rage fake.
You bring eclipsors I'll have my Albows and archer mix before they become a problem. Wall will be built before 3 archers.
Two Albows eventually with meric. Rage your deads. Build shadow shinobi 2. Magikill. Shouldn't need much else aside from two-3 spears

Well its not like u think.Lets battle i'll show you :)

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But if you have 6 crawlers only I'll simply micro my swords sending one to the bombs to absorb them. Or rage fake.
You bring eclipsors I'll have my Albows and archer mix before they become a problem. Wall will be built before 3 archers.
Two Albows eventually with meric. Rage your deads. Build shadow shinobi 2. Magikill. Shouldn't need much else aside from two-3 spears

Yeah...you can try that.

You know there's this thing called manually controlling bombers? Only a low-mid tier chaos player would get a bomber to run into swords. How would you rage fake anyway?

Lol....albowarchers...pick one or the other please. Also, wall, are you serious...? Like, why would you techswitch to albows in an OvC, that's going to die to wing spam + bombers.

I don't believe lazar has the best guide, esp. Castle dead, but it works much better than your strat

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Well its not like u think.Lets battle i'll show you :)

If you're going to show people how it's done in a match then why make a thread for it?

The first strategy is ok but the i'm not sure about the second. Due to lag, I can't get crap done and not playing this for months will also weaken me so I won't be able to try these starts to see how they work :/

I have tried match with lazar before, the strat worked really well for him :)

but for me, I failed to use that ....
once I got the castle dead in the early stage, my econ falls behind the opponent , and once the opponent gets a spearton, I cannot do much things :(

Rage fake. Select one sword to rage only. Causing the opponent to simply send the bombers to my swords thinking I won't separate them.
Archers and albows is better than simply archers or only albows.
As one has faster foot speed and the other is aerial and can avoid crawlers and bombers to an extent.
Walls to avoid that very annoying bomber rush. With them simply ignoring my units that would be targeting the crawlers and rushing down my archers which I'd split to avoid several dead archers or several dwad miners since CA will hardly ever kill bombers. Or even if they send one crawler to absorb the CA.
Albows and archers is a better approach again since it ignores the tanking of juggler knights a bit. If anything forcing them to the top of the map. Letting my magikill get close enough to poison spray and or meteor smash the wings out of the sky.
I'm not saying I simply send one albow put by himself
Notice that the opponent would have to spam wings to get over my albows armor and more damaging bolts.
Then my magikill uses his pimp hand.
Even if dodged this buys my albows time to reorder themselves or place a meric or spear on top of map to absorb arrows in shield wall. Walls again benefit me by preventing the higher knights from simply charging my magikill.
If they get past my units to be a big enough threat.
A mixture of units is better than a mass or spam in almost all scenarios when done well .

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If you're going to show people how it's done in a match then why make a thread for it?

I can show for someone who understand,but who can understand he will use it if he needs.

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The first strategy is ok but the i'm not sure about the second. Due to lag, I can't get crap done and not playing this for months will also weaken me so I won't be able to try these starts to see how they work :/

Well if you not lag,it works.I beated alot of ppl with that(beated kickman 3 times)
. :)

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Rage fake. Select one sword to rage only. Causing the opponent to simply send the bombers to my swords thinking I won't separate them.
Archers and albows is better than simply archers or only albows.
As one has faster foot speed and the other is aerial and can avoid crawlers and bombers to an extent.
Walls to avoid that very annoying bomber rush. With them simply ignoring my units that would be targeting the crawlers and rushing down my archers which I'd split to avoid several dead archers or several dwad miners since CA will hardly ever kill bombers. Or even if they send one crawler to absorb the CA.
Albows and archers is a better approach again since it ignores the tanking of juggler knights a bit. If anything forcing them to the top of the map. Letting my magikill get close enough to poison spray and or meteor smash the wings out of the sky.
I'm not saying I simply send one albow put by himself
Notice that the opponent would have to spam wings to get over my albows armor and more damaging bolts.
Then my magikill uses his pimp hand.
Even if dodged this buys my albows time to reorder themselves or place a meric or spear on top of map to absorb arrows in shield wall. Walls again benefit me by preventing the higher knights from simply charging my magikill.
If they get past my units to be a big enough threat.
A mixture of units is better than a mass or spam in almost all scenarios when done well .

I know,but when you are battling some guy and you dont know his startegy,its little hard.Now u know mine and its easy for u ;P

I see what your saying. I have to guess my opponents start when I play. I ordinarily setup a counter to jugger wing mix. Cause most people tend to spam with chaos. Minkra and wyzdm beat me using jugger/deads which is difficult for me to deal with because of the tankyness of deads and the instakill medusa pimphand that slaps my magikill cross his face.

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I don't play chaos, so yeah. But...

1) castle dead? O_o.
2) 8 crawlers on castle? Gl with that...

Also, you say it like if they mass T1 units you can just tech up to several T2 units or a 400 mana unit.

Tbh, That is not bad lol, most castle games require a castle dead for defense when using chaos.
I will upload a demonstration on YT soon :P
check it out and you'll learn what he means.

You can never have just one good strategy. Depending on the map, your opponent an there skill brings in so many different factors.

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You can never have just one good strategy. Depending on the map, your opponent an there skill brings in so many different factors.

That I must agree ^_^ All strats are ALWAYS depending, on map, on strat of the others, on situation....thats why you shouldnt have a "certain" "whole" strat in your head....but you can have "pieces" of strats in your head, so you can always switch to another strat, when the situation fits. Gl ^_^

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Tbh, That is not bad lol, most castle games require a castle dead for defense when using chaos.
I will upload a demonstration on YT soon :P
check it out and you'll learn what he means.

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay4216559&version=1.86

there ya go, CD ftw