Death, fire or ice?
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Jul 10, 2008 7:53 AM #182605
with freezing to death, at least you become numb after a while and then you get delusional. Burning to death, it hurts the whole time and you are in perfect mental health the whole time
Jul 10, 2008 8:27 AM #182631
Freeze to death.
Jul 10, 2008 12:15 PM #182714
Quote from KitsuneBurn to death. The nerves will go first, from what I've read. The freezing will kill the nervous system slower, making you suffer more.
Freezing, no thank you.
Lol, exactly what I was gonna say.
Jul 10, 2008 1:34 PM #182736
Hah, you idiots. There will be some kind of really good technology which will make you alive again. In a paralysis its' true. Not to death. If you freeze really quickly in a really low temperature then if you stay like that you may get unfrozen already prepared for bursting of vessels, because they froze quickly so they won't budge up the vessels too much and explode. Maybe they would start moving the blood accurately first so it will circulate properly again with some kind of magnetic shit.
It's not fact but it's kind of what I hope will happen to me, but it's not!
It's a dream.
Death is inevitable. This fact is a fundamental part of human existence, something most of us have come to accept on one level or another. Science is rapidly advancing to a stage where some very real possibilities are presenting themselves. In the near future it is perfectly conceivable that the average life expectancy of humans is double or even triple what it is now. Even so, to some people the thought of dying is terrifying enough to warrant spending serious money in order to put it off as long as possible.
A new phenomena has emerged from the American elite, namely terminally ill or injured individuals having themselves cryogenically frozen until such time as a cure is invented for their ailments. Naturally, where there is demand, supply will follow. The main company handling cryogenic freezing is a Californian outfit called the Alcor Foundation, who will freeze you in ‘cryostasis’ using liquid nitrogen for a paltry $US120,000. Unfortunately for those wishing to undergo the procedure, you have to move to California, currently the only place on the planet where cryogenic freezing is legal. Applicants are still required to go through a very complex legal process in order to gain entry to the program, and you must become a member of the Alcor Foundation before you can apply.
The million-dollar question, however, is does it work? Well, not yet, according to Alcor. The idea is that because science is moving so fast, in just a few years they should have the technology to re-animate you, and repair all the damage done to your body as a result of being frozen at -220C. The human body is a very intricate and complex organism. Every second of the day blood is being pumped around your body, delivering vital energy and nutrients to your cells. These cells have very limited energy reserves, so when your heart stops and the blood is no longer flowing, they quickly run out of nutrients and begin to succumb to toxic chemical reactions. The key point is that when subjected to extreme cold, these toxic reactions are greatly slowed down. By freezing the cells in liquid nitrogen, Alcor hopes to slow the decaying process down to a point where you can be theoretically be kept in cryostasis forever. Their philosophy is that if a person’s body and brain cells are properly preserved, then that person is potentially alive, no matter how long they might have been clinically ‘dead’.
Cryogenic freezing is already common for bacteria and other living cells, with great success. Unfortunately the body is infinitely more complex than these relatively simple organisms, and so there are some serious drawbacks to the process in human beings. For example, when the temperature passes -100C, water is forced out of the cells and crystallises, piercing the membrane and causing significant damage. As you freeze, there is a very real chance your tissues will tear due to differences in temperature between areas of the body. Alcor acknowledges these damages are unavoidable, and even provides a full list of theoretical dangers of the process on request. They express confidence, however, that the emerging science of nanotechnology will easily be able to repair you before you are brought back to life.
There is still no proof whatsoever that we will ever possess the technology to bring those already frozen back to life. Alcor proudly states that no scientist has ever proved it will be impossible to re-animate them. Using that as it’s basis, along with a healthy dose of optimism, Alcor states that cryostasis is “...the only rational option for anyone who wants to transcend today’s ‘natural’ limitations on human life.”
The possibilities are frightening. The implications of people having massively extended lifespans have not yet been explored in detail - the few studies done all predict nothing but disaster for the planet as a whole. Until those with this obsessive fear of death come to grips with their own mortality, they will continue using their financial weight to steer science towards a confrontation with nature that we can never win.
It's not fact but it's kind of what I hope will happen to me, but it's not!
It's a dream.
Death is inevitable. This fact is a fundamental part of human existence, something most of us have come to accept on one level or another. Science is rapidly advancing to a stage where some very real possibilities are presenting themselves. In the near future it is perfectly conceivable that the average life expectancy of humans is double or even triple what it is now. Even so, to some people the thought of dying is terrifying enough to warrant spending serious money in order to put it off as long as possible.
A new phenomena has emerged from the American elite, namely terminally ill or injured individuals having themselves cryogenically frozen until such time as a cure is invented for their ailments. Naturally, where there is demand, supply will follow. The main company handling cryogenic freezing is a Californian outfit called the Alcor Foundation, who will freeze you in ‘cryostasis’ using liquid nitrogen for a paltry $US120,000. Unfortunately for those wishing to undergo the procedure, you have to move to California, currently the only place on the planet where cryogenic freezing is legal. Applicants are still required to go through a very complex legal process in order to gain entry to the program, and you must become a member of the Alcor Foundation before you can apply.
The million-dollar question, however, is does it work? Well, not yet, according to Alcor. The idea is that because science is moving so fast, in just a few years they should have the technology to re-animate you, and repair all the damage done to your body as a result of being frozen at -220C. The human body is a very intricate and complex organism. Every second of the day blood is being pumped around your body, delivering vital energy and nutrients to your cells. These cells have very limited energy reserves, so when your heart stops and the blood is no longer flowing, they quickly run out of nutrients and begin to succumb to toxic chemical reactions. The key point is that when subjected to extreme cold, these toxic reactions are greatly slowed down. By freezing the cells in liquid nitrogen, Alcor hopes to slow the decaying process down to a point where you can be theoretically be kept in cryostasis forever. Their philosophy is that if a person’s body and brain cells are properly preserved, then that person is potentially alive, no matter how long they might have been clinically ‘dead’.
Cryogenic freezing is already common for bacteria and other living cells, with great success. Unfortunately the body is infinitely more complex than these relatively simple organisms, and so there are some serious drawbacks to the process in human beings. For example, when the temperature passes -100C, water is forced out of the cells and crystallises, piercing the membrane and causing significant damage. As you freeze, there is a very real chance your tissues will tear due to differences in temperature between areas of the body. Alcor acknowledges these damages are unavoidable, and even provides a full list of theoretical dangers of the process on request. They express confidence, however, that the emerging science of nanotechnology will easily be able to repair you before you are brought back to life.
There is still no proof whatsoever that we will ever possess the technology to bring those already frozen back to life. Alcor proudly states that no scientist has ever proved it will be impossible to re-animate them. Using that as it’s basis, along with a healthy dose of optimism, Alcor states that cryostasis is “...the only rational option for anyone who wants to transcend today’s ‘natural’ limitations on human life.”
The possibilities are frightening. The implications of people having massively extended lifespans have not yet been explored in detail - the few studies done all predict nothing but disaster for the planet as a whole. Until those with this obsessive fear of death come to grips with their own mortality, they will continue using their financial weight to steer science towards a confrontation with nature that we can never win.
Jul 10, 2008 1:46 PM #182739
Delicious copy pasta.
Jul 10, 2008 1:50 PM #182740
I know but it gives you some information about some possibilities on freezing a human body and preserving it.
Thought I think:
the problem of chriogenics is a very simple one.
When water cools it expands. when freezing, the fluid freezes, expands and breaks the cell membranes effectively destroying the cell. This like stated above would make for a very mushy(and dead) person when thawed.
If cryogenics were to be taken seriously a method for flash freezing coupled with natural antifreezes (as such in frogs etc...) will allow for non destructive freezing. As of yet this is not possible.
Thought I think:
the problem of chriogenics is a very simple one.
When water cools it expands. when freezing, the fluid freezes, expands and breaks the cell membranes effectively destroying the cell. This like stated above would make for a very mushy(and dead) person when thawed.
If cryogenics were to be taken seriously a method for flash freezing coupled with natural antifreezes (as such in frogs etc...) will allow for non destructive freezing. As of yet this is not possible.
Jul 10, 2008 4:45 PM #182833
freeze, cuz i'd be too numb to feel it
Jul 11, 2008 1:21 AM #183177
Burn, cause if i would get burned by a very very hot fire i wont feel anything, becuz my brain implodes and the proteine in my veins begin to boil instandly ... so im dead before i feel any heat ...
But (!!!) i dont really want to die by fire but i prefer fire .... i hate it to freeze :Cold:
But (!!!) i dont really want to die by fire but i prefer fire .... i hate it to freeze :Cold:
Jul 11, 2008 2:42 AM #183243
If you freeze to death in a non-controlled environment, or in a controlled environment, you will not recover. Your heart stopped. =/ Biological death is unrecoverable.
Jul 11, 2008 2:48 AM #183249
I'd enjoy freezing to death more than burning to death.
Atleast when you freeze to death there isn't much of a panic, if any.
Depends the scenario, out in the artic, freezing, fine by me.
In a burning house, burning to death?
Nah. Not any day.
Of course, pain comes with both. You skin will chap with freezing, which would hurt. But you become numb.
Burning to death would kill the nerves, surely. Thus creating a numbness.
Freezing just seems more delightful than burning.
Atleast when you freeze to death there isn't much of a panic, if any.
Depends the scenario, out in the artic, freezing, fine by me.
In a burning house, burning to death?
Nah. Not any day.
Of course, pain comes with both. You skin will chap with freezing, which would hurt. But you become numb.
Burning to death would kill the nerves, surely. Thus creating a numbness.
Freezing just seems more delightful than burning.
Jul 11, 2008 2:49 AM #183254
Quote from body_in_the_lake
Freezing just seems more delightful than burning.
B-But it's slower.
Jul 11, 2008 3:01 AM #183271
Quote from body_in_the_lakeAtleast when you freeze to death there isn't much of a panic, if any.
Depends the scenario, out in the artic, freezing, fine by me.
Never heard of hypothermia?
Jul 11, 2008 3:10 AM #183281
Quote from Face PlateNever heard of hypothermia?
Yeah. That isn't when your body goes into panic mode. It's in 3 stages, which is pretty much shivvering, more violent shivvering and numbing then a semi-shut down of the body.
You can stay calm through-out. Where as when you burn, you'd probably be screaming and flailing.
Jul 11, 2008 6:39 AM #183437
Both would be extremely unpleasant however I would rather burn.
Jul 11, 2008 6:47 AM #183445
Quote from body_in_the_lakeYeah. That isn't when your body goes into panic mode. It's in 3 stages, which is pretty much shivvering, more violent shivvering and numbing then a semi-shut down of the body.
You can stay calm through-out. Where as when you burn, you'd probably be screaming and flailing.
Though freezing is calm, it takes longer no doubt. Who cares if you're in panic? you suffer less!
look. If you're freezing TO DEATH, you don't classify cold suffering as "shivering and more violent shivering". Those shivering stages, being a violent cold wave of painful frost, possibly wind or moisture, freezing you and making you suffer greatly until finally, frostbite kills the nerves, is much more terribly painful than burning to death, flailing your nerveless arms around. In panic.
Who cares about panic anyway when it's a matter of dieing? Pride? You're DIEING. Panic and shock will take over anyone. if you're freezing to death, I'm sure you give a valiant effort to warm your body or get away, thus warming your body, lengthening the suffering death.