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Elemental Regular Match Tree going to be fixed?

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Mar 12, 2014 11:04 PM #1174544
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especially kiting, a highly advanced skill.


Kiting is hitting G and then clicking behind the archer. I don't see how that is skillful. Kiting with Crawlers doesn't seem that different, just run up, one attack, run away. In fact, with kiting it is more a lag issue than a skill issue 99% of the time.
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Mar 13, 2014 12:08 AM #1174563
I didn't describe any micro techniques, the whole object of my above statements were to prove how it wasn't a micro but macro issue to begin with.
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Mar 13, 2014 12:10 AM #1174564
Per kiting, how on earth is a new player to know that is how you do it? They can't. unless they visit the forum choose to make friends. Which many don't even speak english... whereas for EE or Chaos, you need no real help learning any basic skills to win. Bombs you run up and blow crap up, and now you get OP burn damage to boot...

Wyz, your whole strategy relies on kiting/micro skills. I have watched the replays. Without those micro skills, the macro doesn't work. But EE doesn't need to micro at all, because the tree is so ridiculously OP.
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Mar 13, 2014 12:31 AM #1174568
Well, if you don't know English, that's too bad for you. SPF is an English Forum, and English is like the most used language in the world. And don't all nation has English as their secondary language?

Objection. Chaos doesn't need micro? That's very wrong. Chaos relies heavily on micro. To keep the first 2 crawlers you bought to stay alive, you need to micro it. If you just went and command it to attack whatsoever, one crawler will die. And that's a wasted 100g. And it isn't that easy to control bombers. They're like a one trick pony. If you missed your target, then most likely you are going to get countered, and get rekt. And burn is not OP at all. Would've preferred the previous bomber damage.

The only micro that wyz has in his post is kiting. It's a mandatory skill that you need to go up higher in the game. If you don't learn how to kite, then you will most likely stay under 1600.
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Mar 13, 2014 2:01 AM #1174609
Decent macro > Fucking amazing micro

Macro is always far more important, and in this case it holds true. Swords and Archers are quick to produce and cheaply made. When used with even the most basic amount of micro they will rip through an elemental army without trouble. And if chaos or elementals TRULY aren't microing and simply try win on the merit of their units they will die. WHY? Archers and swords are stronger than anything chaos or elementals can throw out unmicroed.
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Mar 13, 2014 2:02 AM #1174610
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Well, if you don't know English, that's too bad for you. SPF is an English Forum, and English is like the most used language in the world. And don't all nation has English as their secondary language?

Objection. Chaos doesn't need micro? That's very wrong. Chaos relies heavily on micro. To keep the first 2 crawlers you bought to stay alive, you need to micro it. If you just went and command it to attack whatsoever, one crawler will die. And that's a wasted 100g. And it isn't that easy to control bombers. They're like a one trick pony. If you missed your target, then most likely you are going to get countered, and get rekt. And burn is not OP at all. Would've preferred the previous bomber damage.

The only micro that wyz has in his post is kiting. It's a mandatory skill that you need to go up higher in the game. If you don't learn how to kite, then you will most likely stay under 1600.


English is actually the second most used language in the world, behind Mandarin I believe. Although English is the official business language of the world. Ahem, back to the main topic.

Kiting is really one of the first skills a player will learn in Stick Empires. If you want to get better at a game that involves strategy, you aren't going to spend hours tinkering with the game. You'll probably want to go to any existing places where you can find strategies. AKA the forums here. There is even a link to the forums in-game. And what better place to discuss a game's strategy than its official forum linked by the creators of the game? The point of the forums being mainly English is moot since we are in the age of Google Translate. Sure there are some grammatical errors, but you'll be able to get the gist of what the people are saying.

So sorrowandsadness, your points are losing ground. In fact, if I could interject my opinion on facing Treatures:

Swords are able to do more damage than the Scorplings I believe. Rush the tree. It has to spawn the Scorplings in waves, so in between waves, it is fairly defenceless as its only other attack is the flower spell, which only hits one swordwrath out of say four or five. You can force it to retreat, in which it would be screwed, or really damage it. Elementals can only heal through garrison and the Water Elemental I believe.
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Mar 13, 2014 2:08 AM #1174618
And besides that there is always sword rage, which is excellent against elementals.
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Mar 13, 2014 4:11 AM #1174655
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Per kiting, how on earth is a new player to know that is how you do it? They can't. unless they visit the forum choose to make friends. Which many don't even speak english... whereas for EE or Chaos, you need no real help learning any basic skills to win. Bombs you run up and blow crap up, and now you get OP burn damage to boot...

Wyz, your whole strategy relies on kiting/micro skills. I have watched the replays. Without those micro skills, the macro doesn't work. But EE doesn't need to micro at all, because the tree is so ridiculously OP.


What? "Unless"? Dude, don't set up so many conditions...
if you guys don't don't know micro skills, why you play stick empires?
if you want to play it, you have to learn it
if you guys don't wanna know anything, play other dumb games, there are some fps games outside which you just need to kill ppl blindly without skills, without any thinking required

So it is just a matter of your attitude, if you put more input on one thing, you will get the same output from it \
if you put more effort on SE, it will give you a lot of fun

If you found out you don't like putting effort to SE, just leave! It is just a game

And you said that many people have bad Enlgish
I would say bad English is okay here, you need to LEARN how to use English here
Well, to be honest, my English sucks too, but I will choose to learn English through chatting here, it is their problems if they don't try to know because we are using English to communicate

So if you are saying "Oh, new players won't know the skills! They don't know English! bla bla bla~ You guys OP! Every unit is OP! bla bla bla" without attempting to learn how to play, please leave, this is not the game you like
Try not to always blame something without knowing it, try to learn it, otherwise you are no difference from the famous rager GloriousAverager, claiming chaos OP and paid to win and stuffs (I pwnt him on castle even with chaos...wtf)

I also agree with _Ai_ (can I call your old name, Aiman? =.=)
Chaos and elementals are the one who need more micro, in my opinion, Order is the strongest empire since they don't really need much micro, just rush with swordwraths :/ , why would I have to kite with crawlers? thats troublesome.... And why would I have to use Elemental which has sucked econ? And why would my V has to be afraid of order's shadowrath and run away?

And why would I have to talk so much? Because I wanna try to guide you to the right path
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Mar 13, 2014 7:53 AM #1174691
Elementals vs Order on short map is fine...Order can beat Tree start fine (Mass swords, rush their base, then rush their tree when you have 4+ swords). The REAL problem is Elementals vs Chaos.

Also, if you want to make that micro/macro argument, then I'll explain to you: Games are balanced at top levels, where pros play. It's not balanced at a new player's level cause:

Infernos Dragon is OP! It does so much damage! (Even though it's shit cause it takes 6 seconds, and costs 100 mana)
Archers are UP! They die too fast! (Even though they're so good cause kiting, but a NEW PLAYER WOULDN'T KNOW THAT)

etc.
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Mar 13, 2014 8:38 AM #1174699
Don't get the wrong idea though, we all know trees are overpowered DAZ, but the way he wants to go about fixing that is all wrong.

EDIT: Why the POISON upgrade doubles their health I will never know. Ugh.
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Mar 13, 2014 8:47 AM #1174703
I hate the fact that a in a scorpion vs crawler fight, scorpion wins. Ugh.

Just a 1v1, no micro.
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Mar 13, 2014 1:09 PM #1174824
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I hate the fact that a in a scorpion vs crawler fight, scorpion wins. Ugh.

Just a 1v1, no micro.


Please tell me more about how this is different from CvO.
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Mar 13, 2014 1:43 PM #1174865
Scorpions need mana and not gold.
You can spawn scorpions from half of the map (depends on where the Treeture is).
Swords has 2 bar of health.
Swords are more pricey than crawlers.
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Mar 13, 2014 1:59 PM #1174884
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What? "Unless"? Dude, don't set up so many conditions...
if you guys don't don't know micro skills, why you play stick empires?
if you want to play it, you have to learn it
if you guys don't wanna know anything, play other dumb games, there are some fps games outside which you just need to kill ppl blindly without skills, without any thinking required

So it is just a matter of your attitude, if you put more input on one thing, you will get the same output from it \
if you put more effort on SE, it will give you a lot of fun

If you found out you don't like putting effort to SE, just leave! It is just a game

And you said that many people have bad Enlgish
I would say bad English is okay here, you need to LEARN how to use English here
Well, to be honest, my English sucks too, but I will choose to learn English through chatting here, it is their problems if they don't try to know because we are using English to communicate

So if you are saying "Oh, new players won't know the skills! They don't know English! bla bla bla~ You guys OP! Every unit is OP! bla bla bla" without attempting to learn how to play, please leave, this is not the game you like
Try not to always blame something without knowing it, try to learn it, otherwise you are no difference from the famous rager GloriousAverager, claiming chaos OP and paid to win and stuffs (I pwnt him on castle even with chaos...wtf)

I also agree with _Ai_ (can I call your old name, Aiman? =.=)
Chaos and elementals are the one who need more micro, in my opinion, Order is the strongest empire since they don't really need much micro, just rush with swordwraths :/ , why would I have to kite with crawlers? thats troublesome.... And why would I have to use Elemental which has sucked econ? And why would my V has to be afraid of order's shadowrath and run away?

And why would I have to talk so much? Because I wanna try to guide you to the right path


you already mentioned all the things that I want to say
so I don't need to repeat once more

I have already seen many similar people who just claims everything is op ,but they don't even realize their own problems
they just continue to say how unfair for them to face those players who use chaos or elemental
For that GloriousAverager ,he is just a shit kid , but who cares?
If they don't like this game and cannot reach the target, they can just go back into their cave, no one would care about these shit kids

in fact I don't think there is any problem for order vs elementals, if there is air rush, then CA, if there is tree rush, then sword spam
and then everything remains balance
I even beat top elemental players such as khan, kaminomi, and Suns7orm with order .
So that means someone does not have ability to counter difficulties and find excuse for themselves

The only problem that I figure out is CvE, chaos face elemental is really a difficult thing, since crawlers cannot beat scorpions, and castle dead is not powerful at all compare with castle archer.
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Mar 13, 2014 2:52 PM #1174911
www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay5024452&version=2.00

Evidence don't seem to matter, but when you watch replays, you get the distinct idea that order is overpowered, especially short field.

Order has nothing to stop V or medusa short field... to train a ninja to full shinobi is over a minute and a half into the game.. by that time short field, order is dead.

The game is not at all balanced.

Again, enjoy propping up premiums, watch the game over time die from lack of player base. I have watched a ton of order players quit lately, and I probably will do the same if something isn't done to better balance the game. You can all enjoy playing with yourselves I suppose...