Quote from sorrowandsadness

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay5024452&version=2.00Order has nothing to stop V or medusa short field... to train a ninja to full shinobi is over a minute and a half into the game.. by that time short field, order is dead.

If you are facing Elementals or Chaos, you know a Magikill is going to be pointless, so you would probably get a Shadowrath to counter the V or Medusa anyway. And getting Shinobi 2 and a Ninja (if my memory is correct):

450 + 150 + 150 Gold = 750 Gold

150 + 100 + 100 = 350 Mana

25 seconds + 25 seconds = 50 seconds

You can get a ninja and research shinobi 1 at the same time.

So after the first ninja, they are much cheaper than either a Medusa or V.

And I have lasted until the 5 minute mark against Elementals with Order, and even won a game or two (and I have played less than 10 OvE games) easily. What strategies are you even using that make you lose a game in under a minute?

Quote from sorrowandsadness

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Evidence don't seem to matter, but when you watch replays, you get the distinct idea that order is overpowered, especially short field.

Order has nothing to stop V or medusa short field... to train a ninja to full shinobi is over a minute and a half into the game.. by that time short field, order is dead.

The game is not at all balanced.

Again, enjoy propping up premiums, watch the game over time die from lack of player base. I have watched a ton of order players quit lately, and I probably will do the same if something isn't done to better balance the game. You can all enjoy playing with yourselves I suppose...

when you say order has nothing to stop V or medusa, why don't you think of the problem of V and medusa?
30 seconds to train one medusa, 500 gold + 400 mana, and much slower speed than ninja , long cool down of stone, low damage of poison pool. One ninja can kill medusa in 1v1 if the timing is correct.

for V, even worse, 10 population, 1300 gold + 100 mana, even slower speed and health than ninja. And two ninjas can kill one V definitely.
Furthermore, if you are clever enough, shinobi1 can be trained at the same moment for the training of ninja, that means full ninja can be trainied within 1 minute. And the training time for medusa and V is longer in classic due to their higher cost, in deathmatch, even ninja comes out slightly later, but the training is much more efficient later.

And it is impossible for medusa and V to come out within one minute. Losing in one minute when facing chaos or elemental , then you should really think of what you have done.

Really don't understand why you can consider an advantage to be a disadvantage.

I watched your replay vs maxchiang, it is your problem for you to make your ninja go ahead without even finished training shinboi2.
For me, I beat maxchiang twice with order last week, so that means what ?

Enjoy blaming everything is op, and enjoy quitting if you cannot counter difficulties.

Furthermore, I remember you are the rager who raged in other matches, I watched the live replay and saw you raged to chaos player as well. I honestly think you are a noob by doing such kind of thing.
So if you like to keep this kind of little kid manner, you better quit.

Quote from sorrowandsadness

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay5024452&version=2.00

Evidence don't seem to matter, but when you watch replays, you get the distinct idea that order is overpowered, especially short field.

Order has nothing to stop V or medusa short field... to train a ninja to full shinobi is over a minute and a half into the game.. by that time short field, order is dead.

The game is not at all balanced.

Again, enjoy propping up premiums, watch the game over time die from lack of player base. I have watched a ton of order players quit lately, and I probably will do the same if something isn't done to better balance the game. You can all enjoy playing with yourselves I suppose...

I agree that Order is a bit OP in short maps, but.

BUT.

It's really hard to find a game that's perfectly balanced. The number of games that are are extremely limited, and could e counted with fingers. But to say the game is not balanced at all, that I disagree. SE is one of the game that I find balanced at most. I think it's at the point where it can't be balanced further (well, before elems anyways). The developers worked hard to achieve the balance. They are trying to make it enjoyable for everyone.

Though it might be true that the game will die out eventually from the lack of player base. I mean, it's just a stick game after all, not that surprising. Though, losing someone like you probably won't affect the game as a whole, so yeah.

Your right, it is time for me to leave SE, and encourage every person I Can not to support this game given that when you are open about problems, people ignore them.

EE is terrible OP is DM. I just lost to a person 600 points below me short field. The toplist shows Chaos and EE are way OP, or they would be more balanced.

The fact that people ignore this shows that you all don't really care about the game community, just padding your stats and ranks at the expense of long term game viability.

And that most of you have no honor.

We ignore them? We try to find the core of your problems, and deem if those are really are as problematic as you say. But they're not. We've proven you why they are not problematic. But you insist on you being absolutely 100% correct.

Yes, EE is OP in DM especially in short maps. But currently the developers are trying to fix that. There's nothing we can do. We are not the developers. We are the community, what we can do is voice our opinions.

The fact that we still is talking to you is proof that we care about the community. If we don't we the so called 'members' would just leave E to be OP and not voice opinions about it. And what are we supposed to do? Flaunt the short-game viability?

No, the one who doesn't have honor here is you.

Also, do notice this thread here :
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?83137-How-to-counter-Swordwrath-Mass&p=1174606#post1174606

I think I don't have anything to say, assuming you have the capacity to think.

all empires are all balanced. no empire is super broken game ruiner op]

1 may be a little stronger, but skill>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opness for SE

Just don't let them go on the offensive, because if elementals go on the offensive, you can barley turtle.

Boy I wish tecness was here right now, in the replay he was not too good, and that replay is nothing about the treature start?

and if you want to leave SE by all means no one is complaining, I honestly think Elementals (since when was EE the abbreviation?) dont do as well in late game, because they slack in eco in early game

Cheetos, late game they dominate the ground with scorps and control the skies with lightnings. If your trees are down a bit on health use your upgraded water heal to bring them all back to full HP.

EDIT: However, that's their only real option late game. So if you can control the skies you win against them.

Quote from IHATETHISNAME

Cheetos, late game they dominate the ground with scorps and control the skies with lightnings. If your trees are down a bit on health use your upgraded water heal to bring them all back to full HP.

EDIT: However, that's their only real option late game. So if you can control the skies you win against them.

well, for me, I think late game elemental cannot control the sky at all.
Albow mass can rape all lightnings. And that is the method that I used to beat Maxchiang before.

2 miner one sword start usually works for me on short maps. 3 miners on gold and one on pray till rage. Then buy another sword and miner or Ca which is hilarious if the opponent puts the tree in range.

Quote from mysterybat

well, for me, I think late game elemental cannot control the sky at all.
Albow mass can rape all lightnings. And that is the method that I used to beat Maxchiang before.

yeah, you're right. They do well early-mid game but latemid-late game they start to falter. And against chaos Eclips and bombers wreck them.

you guys are forgetting about the combined explosion! just make the water and fire go to a place very close, combined, and bam, all of them dead.

Scorch doesn't actually do enough to k ill anything higher than a sword. It doesn't even kill wings...

then get 2