I want to put my foot down before the issue closes for real.

>Regardless of how good or bad Mizu is at art, it doesn't discount him from making his own critique.

>His delivery matters less than the overall message he conveys. And if you have an issue with the message, you address it in the thread he critiques in, not attack him in his own draw thread. (I'm looking at you, Gaaading.)

Also if you're going to quote someone, don't twist their words to something different. You only make yourself sound either idiotic or simply malicious. "stop drawing anime" is not "never draw again".

Honestly I would give critique, but pomf is down, and I'm assuming that you already know what you need to do in order to improve. Telling you to to brush up on anatomy would be useless if you were already doing it on your own.

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I want to put my foot down before the issue closes for real.

>Regardless of how good or bad Mizu is at art, it doesn't discount him from making his own critique.

>His delivery matters less than the overall message he conveys. And if you have an issue with the message, you address it in the thread he critiques in, not attack him in his own draw thread. (I'm looking at you, Gaaading.)

Also if you're going to quote someone, don't twist their words to something different. You only make yourself sound either idiotic or simply malicious. "stop drawing anime" is not "never draw again".

Honestly I would give critique, but pomf is down, and I'm assuming that you already know what you need to do in order to improve. Telling you to to brush up on anatomy would be useless if you were already doing it on your own.

The message is lost if you are a dick about it like an angry elementary teacher. I wasn't attacking him, I was telling him to be more positive and less aggressive. I only insulted him in the last post because he failed to see reason. Out of the few critiques I have seen him do he is aggressive.

As for the third one I already rephrased myself thank you.

It has already been established that mizu is going to do whatever he wants anyway so there is nothing more to say.

Since Pomf is down and I'm not able to re upload at this time, can someone lock this thread, I'll just shoot you a pm when It's back up/I get these re-upped. Thanks.

Locked as requested.

Edit: And unlocked~

Your over-all skill is a little disappointing . Judging from past CnCs that I have seen from you, I was under the impression that you were a professional artist.

That being said, you're not all that bad. Most people commenting on here are just trying to take advantage of the moment and want to criticize you because of the booty-hurt you probably caused them in the past.

You have a good sense of anatomy when it comes to developing poses. You just need to work on muscle structures and proportions. Also, I understand that you are trying your best to improve the anatomy aspect of your art/character designs, but you should consider working on drawing your anime-styled faces. Sometimes don't even worry about drawing the full body. Just draw from the shoulders up to the head and work on the general anime face.

How to learn? Screw all of those "how to draw anime/manga" books. Especially Mark Crilley's junk. They will only make you digress. Want to learn how to draw it? Go straight to the source my friend. Think of a Japanese anime/manga artist whose style you like the most. Study the way they draw their character's faces and try to emulate the style. When you've finally got that down you can slowly progress into your own style.

All that aside, I have one last piece of advice for you...... Needs moar Loomis :3

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Sorry guys. It had to be done :)

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How to learn? Screw all of those "how to draw anime/manga" books. Especially Mark Crilley's junk. They will only make you digress. Want to learn how to draw it? Go straight to the source my friend. Think of a Japanese anime/manga artist whose style you like the most. Study the way they draw their character's faces and try to emulate the style. When you've finally got that down you can slowly progress into your own style.

All that aside, I have one last piece of advice for you...... Needs moar Loomis :3

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Sorry guys. It had to be done :)

Trust me, I know that Crilley and those "How to draw anime/manga" books are shit, I've never read or cared for them. And I'm not trying to draw manga or anime, I hope you don't get the impression that that's all I draw. I guess it does seem that way, I thought the way I drew faces was just Asian inspired and never really strict anime. At least thats what I like to think.

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Your over-all skill is a little disappointing . Judging from past CnCs that I have seen from you, I was under the impression that you were a professional artist.

That being said, you're not all that bad. Most people commenting on here are just trying to take advantage of the moment and want to criticize you because of the booty-hurt you probably caused them in the past.

You have a good sense of anatomy when it comes to developing poses. You just need to work on muscle structures and proportions. Also, I understand that you are trying your best to improve the anatomy aspect of your art/character designs, but you should consider working on drawing your anime-styled faces. Sometimes don't even worry about drawing the full body. Just draw from the shoulders up to the head and work on the general anime face.

Yeah, my heads need alot of work. First i'd rather break the whole Anime/manga/asian influence on em. Like I said I was never trying to give the impression that I was a god.

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All that aside, I have one last piece of advice for you...... Needs moar Loomis :3

NEEDS SO MUCH MORE LOOMIS

I gave your work another look over, and I'm under the impression that you are too obsessed with getting the torso muscles right, whilst ignoring construction in three dimensional space. You have the muscles down, but you just aren't constructing the body properly, which makes everything look obviously flat and non-realistic.

I advise you to move over to gestures, different poses and general figure construction. Get the basic 3d form before you start trying to define them.

Yeah I should really do more gesture drawings. Thanks.

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Needs moar Loomis :3

PLasmaghost is going to fucking kill you run.

I'm not going to make this long; First, stop the symbol drawing. Try to get down the form and stuff and then get to finished drawings. Also, be confident with your lines and don't chicken scratch. Also anatomy. Good anatomy is difficult to learn and will take you forever, but you need it.

God I fucking hate Loomis so much. I hope in another 3 or 4 years people stop referencing his book so much like its a fucking beginners art bible.

Ok I think your three MAIN problems are this:
1) You dont really have a sense of the anatomy, and by this I mean you dont really UNDERSTAND the form. I can tell you know that the biceps has 1 shape, and the triceps has another contrasting shape. I can see you know how the clavicle runs almost "into" the deltoids. So I'm fairly certain you have some degree of knowledge on anatomy (albeit a bit basic, but good enough!). But knowledge of WHAT is WHERE isn't the problem (imo). Its more like now knowing what the form of what your drawing essentially IS.
Sure the pectoralis muscles are squarish/pentagon-ish in shape, but they're MORE than that in FORM.

2) Line quality. You're line quality is exactly of what I would expect of someone prolly in Middle school-High school. Its scratchy and relies on darkening lines after the fact to reinforce clarity. I would say one of the best way to get rid of this is to stop using pencil for a bit. What I did to overcome this is ONLY use liner pen to draw.
-It makes your marks permanent.
-It makes your marks solid
-It forces you to master a new tool
-it helps you think about what you're putting down first
What you might try doing too is limiting the amount of strokes you use. Like say, you have 12 strokes to make a person. (this REALLY forces you to think about what your're doing). I'll be the first to say that art is as much a mental game as it is a practicing skill. You observe/analyze, You internalize, You interpret, THEN you practice.

3) Repetitive subject matter. I really can't tell one figure from the next in a lot of these. Its a lot of Same face, Same body type, same poses, same hair, same etc. Push those boundaries man. Maybe draw a woman once or twice, or draw a fat guy, or draw a child or old man. Make it a guy with a beard, or maybe some asian guy with a large forehead (idk), but explore a bit. You're still young take a few steps out that comfort zone. Maybe draw in a style you've never tried before, just break the mold sometimes dude.


EDIT: Also try not to worry about anatomy allll the time, your figures feel still because you're thinking too much about structure, not letting it just inform you as you go along. You gotta feeeeeel the pose. feeeeel the tension. feeeeeeeeel the graphite~
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god i fucking hate loomis.

Haha much appreciated man. Why don't you like loomis? Just a personal taste or do you think he just teaches the wrong things?

I wouldn't say the WRONG things. But I don't think he teaches them well enough to be considered THEE go to book for beginners/intermediates. I have also yet to see anyone really significantly improve from one of his books. It usually goes like:
Person A sucks.
Peson B refers them to Loomis (or draw with pencil, or bridgeman)
Person A reads said book
*Person A now might have some working body of knowledge in art, but isnt quite shure how to use it
Person A makes more Art, but it has seen little improvement that can be attributed to the book itself (as opposed to just getting older better naturally as time goes on regardless)
Person A keeps referring back to the book and eventually the principles in the book stop becoming general guides/tips/things to keep in mind and in stead end up becoming some sort of strict regime
Person A's art gradually becomes stale and while they DO improve over time, its arguable that they may have gotten farther by just finding their own way

I guess its not the books problem, I guess its more how people hold the book in such high regards. Hes not a good teacher imo. The things he teaches can be found in a multitude of other places and more indepth. and tbh I also think hes overrated as an artist, I mean hes GOOD but I feel like 60% of his modern claim to fame actually just comes from his book.

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God I fucking hate Loomis so much. I hope in another 3 or 4 years people stop referencing his book so much like its a fucking beginners art bible.

Ok I think your three MAIN problems are this:
1) You dont really have a sense of the anatomy, and by this I mean you dont really UNDERSTAND the form. I can tell you know that the biceps has 1 shape, and the triceps has another contrasting shape. I can see you know how the clavicle runs almost "into" the deltoids. So I'm fairly certain you have some degree of knowledge on anatomy (albeit a bit basic, but good enough!). But knowledge of WHAT is WHERE isn't the problem (imo). Its more like now knowing what the form of what your drawing essentially IS.
Sure the pectoralis muscles are squarish/pentagon-ish in shape, but they're MORE than that in FORM.

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PLasmaghost is going to fucking kill you run.

I'm not going to make this long; First, stop the symbol drawing. Try to get down the form and stuff and then get to finished drawings. Also, be confident with your lines and don't chicken scratch. Also anatomy. Good anatomy is difficult to learn and will take you forever, but you need it.

I'm kind of confused as to what you mean by the "Form". Could you elaborate or have any sources I can learn more about this?

Form is 3d. Like I've said you are only drawing a 2d shape representing the muscles. If you don't feel as if you're drawing an actual 3d representation on paper, then you are doing it wrong.

In other words, stop being obsessed with muscles and just break the body down to simple forms (or 3d objects) like rectangular blocks before you try going into detail.



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