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;869318']Does that mean show her his willy?
im 12

yes my son
yes it does
now stop pretending to be a man and give me back my razor i need it to shave my face

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Indeed.
She takes her fallacies from a thousand year old contradicting parchment filled with tonal amendments.

Not really, she makes up fallacies or uses already made up ones to justify believing a two thousand year old book.

I get what you meant though.

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Religious people don't have any real arguments to make, so they have to use logical fallacies to fake it.

Only when people like you demand empirical evidence when it doesn't exist, or need to. I don't like this idea that it's somehow a reflection on a person's rationality or intellectual capacity if they don't think the same way you do.

I like Ken Jenning's answer when someone asked why he's a Mormon despite his obvious intelligence:

"I can't rationally defend believing in God, but the idea has some essential rightness to me that I can't imagine living without. Atheists are free to read that as "Aha, he needs the comforting crutch!" but that's sort of reductive. It's not how it FEELS to believe. The miracles of my own consciousness and the existence of the universe seem to naturally imply the existence of God to me in exactly the same obvious way it precludes it for others.

I always think about the mathematician and writer Martin Gardner, who was one of the most famous skeptics of his time, always hanging out with James Randi and those guys. And yet, to his dying breath, he held on to some weird kind of deism from his youth. He at least HOPED, he said, that there could be another, better world beyond this one. That's how I feel, I guess."

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Only when people like you demand empirical evidence when it doesn't exist, or need to.

Yes, I demand empirical evidence in order to believe that something exists. In that sense, evidence does need to exist for the claims of these people to be taken seriously. I'm well aware that it doesn't, which is why I don't think that a god's existence is very probable. Most religious people probably aren't aware that there's no evidence supporting the existence of their god, or they wouldn't be religious in the first place. They have been indoctrinated from a young age to believe that this is how it is, and never really learned to question their faith. I demand evidence to help them see that they have really bad reasons for believing the things they do, because I consider a warped world view to be harmful. (Especially when it makes good people do bad things, provides cover and credibility for extremism, tries to undermine science and constantly tries to legislate itself on to everyone else.)

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I don't like this idea that it's somehow a reflection on a person's rationality or intellectual capacity if they don't think the same way you do.

I don't either, that's why I don't think so. Anyone can be wrong, no matter how smart you are otherwise. Being wrong about things and learning through your mistakes is a core part of science.

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I like Ken Jenning's answer when someone asked why he's a Mormon despite his obvious intelligence:

"I can't rationally defend believing in God, but the idea has some essential rightness to me that I can't imagine living without. Atheists are free to read that as "Aha, he needs the comforting crutch!" but that's sort of reductive. It's not how it FEELS to believe. The miracles of my own consciousness and the existence of the universe seem to naturally imply the existence of God to me in exactly the same obvious way it precludes it for others.

So he doesn't have a rational reason to justify his belief in god, but rather an emotional one. I can understand that, but how you feel about something has no bearing on reality. I'd rather just appreciate what I know to exist, the universe is amazing on its own.

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I always think about the mathematician and writer Martin Gardner, who was one of the most famous skeptics of his time, always hanging out with James Randi and those guys. And yet, to his dying breath, he held on to some weird kind of deism from his youth. He at least HOPED, he said, that there could be another, better world beyond this one. That's how I feel, I guess."

There's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, I suppose, but letting that hope become a reality to you means deluding yourself. I have no problem with people having comfortable delusions, as long as it don't affect their decision making, how they act towards other people and as long as they don't force their views on others. Unfortunately, often most of these things do happen.

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Yes, I demand empirical evidence in order to believe that something exists. In that sense, evidence does need to exist for the claims of these people to be taken seriously. I'm well aware that it doesn't, which is why I don't think that a god's existence is very probable. Most religious people probably aren't aware that there's no evidence supporting the existence of their god, or they wouldn't be religious in the first place. They have been indoctrinated from a young age to believe that this is how it is, and never really learned to question their faith. I demand evidence to help them see that they have really bad reasons for believing the things they do, because I consider a warped world view to be harmful. (Especially when it makes good people do bad things, provides cover and credibility for extremism, tries to undermine science and constantly tries to legislate itself on to everyone else.)

By your argument can I assume that you don't believe in any creation story as of right now? I don't think most people would stop believing in their religion just because they discovered that there wasn't solid evidence that backed up their religion. Religion to most people isn't about fact, and they aren't going to change their life-long beliefs just because someone told them there wasn't any evidence, especially since there isn't any solid evidence of any other way the world was created. However, some religious people aren't aware that there isn't any evidence backing their religion, and I agree with you there. I've lived it in the past year learning about creation in biology class at a Christain high school. Many people were confused when we started reading about all these things about fights between the church and science, and the teacher had to explain to them that we have no empirical evidence behind our religion. It was quite painful watch students accuse the teacher of not actually being our religion, but eventually he got the point across to everyone.

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So he doesn't have a rational reason to justify his belief in god, but rather an emotional one. I can understand that, but how you feel about something has no bearing on reality. I'd rather just appreciate what I know to exist, the universe is amazing on its own.

EDIT: read this wrong. I agree it's an emotional belief for the most part, but it's just as logical as any other explanation of how we got here.

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There's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, I suppose, but letting that hope become a reality to you means deluding yourself. I have no problem with people having comfortable delusions, as long as it don't affect their decision making, how they act towards other people and as long as they don't force their views on others. Unfortunately, often most of these things do happen.

How about if the morals that there "delusions" influenced were good? I think you probably agree that the general idea Christianity teaches about wrongs and rights is good, set aside all the sexual rules. So my question to you, is being influenced by a religion to be a better person still a bad thing?

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I don't either, that's why I don't think so. Anyone can be wrong, no matter how smart you are otherwise. Being wrong about things and learning through your mistakes is a core part of science.

Oh, cut the shit. You make positive claims despite all evidence to the contrary too, then get defensive and dismissive when you're faced with your own ignorance. Yeah, I'm bringing that thread up again, get over it.

I'm tired of seeing people present themselves with this smug, "scientific" view of the world whenever a religious discussion comes up, but when it comes to real-world issues nobody gives enough of a shit to do any research before spouting their beliefs. These are issues based around data that's easily searchable and points to only one possible conclusion, but you couldn't even get that straight. Empirical evidence actually exists for that topic, but somehow you managed to form three views that were completely inconsistent with all of it.

People do this all the fucking time, including you. But when someone has the audacity to form a personal belief about the unknowable, suddenly you think they're an indoctrinated, delusional fool who has no justifiably rational excuse for their beliefs unless they can give you "empirical evidence". That's complete bullshit, especially when you say something like this:

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I have no problem with people having comfortable delusions, as long as it don't affect their decision making, how they act towards other people and as long as they don't force their views on others. Unfortunately, often most of these things do happen.

You make it sound like atheism somehow frees you from being a judgmental asshole, but it's exactly what's enabling it in your case. Except you think "evidence" is on your side, so you don't feel bad for saying these sort of things. You don't even realize you're doing it, and you deny it when you're called out on it. Kind of a fucked worldview if you ask me.

That attitude is why I had to unsubscribe from the popular atheism subreddit. Too many arrogant fuckheads that barely have a grasp on what it is they're talking about.

sorry for interrupting
i was wondering what the hell with people this days
there is who marries a doll ,a dog, a cow and the worst is a women had married a CAR (i dont have to mention eifflel tower cause you alreay know that)

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sorry for interrupting
i was wondering what the hell with people this days
there is who marries a doll ,a dog, a cow and the worst is a women had married a CAR (i dont have to mention eifflel tower cause you alreay know that)

A Japanese got married with his pillow too :3

I mean, Nero made a horse his general soo...............

people have done really wacked up shit over the ages.lol.

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sorry for interrupting
i was wondering what the hell with people this days
there is who marries a doll ,a dog, a cow and the worst is a women had married a CAR (i dont have to mention eifflel tower cause you alreay know that)

2013 my friend... 2013

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I mean, Nero made a horse his general soo...............

people have done really wacked up shit over the ages.lol.

like you said WACKED UP

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2013 my friend... 2013

2013 my god how it will be in 2100 lol

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A Japanese got married with his pillow too :3

this cant be real !! i cant imagine how they can live.just talking about it makes me feel sick
them its almost midnight i cant use my pillow lol

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A Japanese got married with his pillow too :3

You can "marry" anything you want, I once saw a new story about a guy who married Christmas. But it's only ceremonial, I'm pretty sure you are unable to be legally wed to a pillow.

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A Japanese got married with his pillow too :3

Why would he marry a pillow? It's like I would like to protect, care, love, and live the rest of my life with you.... with A PILLOW!!!!

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Oh, cut the shit. You make positive claims despite all evidence to the contrary too, then get defensive and dismissive when you're faced with your own ignorance. Yeah, I'm bringing that thread up again, get over it.

I'm tired of seeing people present themselves with this smug, "scientific" view of the world whenever a religious discussion comes up, but when it comes to real-world issues nobody gives enough of a shit to do any research before spouting their beliefs. These are issues based around data that's easily searchable and points to only one possible conclusion, but you couldn't even get that straight. Empirical evidence actually exists for that topic, but somehow you managed to form three views that were completely inconsistent with all of it.

People do this all the fucking time, including you. But when someone has the audacity to form a personal belief about the unknowable, suddenly you think they're an indoctrinated, delusional fool who has no justifiably rational excuse for their beliefs unless they can give you "empirical evidence". That's complete bullshit, especially when you say something like this:




You make it sound like atheism somehow frees you from being a judgmental asshole, but it's exactly what's enabling it in your case. Except you think "evidence" is on your side, so you don't feel bad for saying these sort of things. You don't even realize you're doing it, and you deny it when you're called out on it. Kind of a fucked worldview if you ask me.

Thank you, holy fuck!
Leokill, stop trying to have intellectual conversations when you do not know anything that you are talking about.