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when did stickpage become 4chan

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I prefer my 4chan and Stickpage separate. Very separate. Like a girl's legs during prom or a Twilight movie.

Hey, when you have to greentext, you have to greentext. It's been so long since I've constructed my arguments any other way, I've forgotten how.

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Sorry next time I'll make sure to remember not to trust you, and that you're an asshole. silly me for not knowing that before hand, and also for not stalking your past posts. No but in all seriousness, the person who "shouldn't be allowed to internet" is you.

lolokay

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u shouldn't b on the internet bcuz i troled u if u werent a stoopid n00b ud know about me bcuz i post here s omcuh

We could just as easily flip that around, you know. "u sudnt come here bcus you sed sumting dat wuzint litturel n i hav no iduh wut hyoomer iz so u dont blong on inturnetz" I'm not going to say that, because I'm such a nice guy. But I could.

Oh, and don't use the word "troll", or any misspelling thereof. I realize you were just mocking me, but the "this guy is saying something I don't like, I'm going to call him out on trolling for some reason" card is as overplayed these days as "lol i trol u", so it just screams "I don't know what the word 'troll' means". Trolling is an long dead art, because too many people who thought they were being cool or funny or whatever started latching onto it. Trolling was killed by casuals, newbies, and mainstreamers, just like everything else to ever hit the Internet. Basically, the Internet is populated by kids, and us old people have no place here.

Huh. Maybe I shouldn't be online anymore.

In any case, if I was trolling, who was I trolling? I said something that wasn't literal, in response to someone who already knew well that I had been a big fan of MLP before. Then, some people started getting all upset and hurling profanities over it, so I clarified (in perhaps not the nicest way I could have, but hey, he did call me an offensive name, and besides, I had posted shifty eyes. Does no one get what that emote means anymore?). So where did I troll anyone? And where does Cobalt get off continuing to hurl obscenities and accuse me of being untrustworthy and an... "unpleasant person", we'll say?

If you stop and think about it, I'm really the nice guy here, and everyone else is just being mean to me for no reason.

Kill yourself, SoY.

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Kill yourself, SoY.

Like I never left.

Actually though, that brings up a funny story. I almost did kill myself last year. I know, how many "almosts" can one person get? But this time it was for real. I had my absolute best outfit on, I had a gun at the ready, I had several bottles of Yoo-hoo and some Toblerone (what I've always said I wanted my final meal to be), and I had my video suicide message half written when my best friend was like "I will slap you." And I was like "Okay..."

Haven't felt the urge to kill myself since then though, so I guess I've come a long way. Haven't even really had a deep depression since then.

Um...uh...
You sulk quite easily SoY. Sacred was just joking.



Or is he?

yeah guys lets drag on a conversation about whether or not a guy is trolling

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If deviantart is a 'low form' of art community. What is above it?

To be honest, Deviantart is all sorts of good and bad; it cannot be branded as a 'low form' of art community. But I think the bad part of it (some terrible artists and even more terrible users) seems to be what the community artwork section is leaning heavily to. I guess I should've clarified that.

But, well...that's because there is no restriction on the quality of the art you can post, right? There's nothing that can be done about that, I suppose.

...I do wish that people would have more sense in commenting and posting artworks, and more so regarding creating their own threads there, however.

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On another topic, does anyone think that the community artwork is going a little too low?

Now I know I can't be asking for quality control, but it seems to me that many threads are just one time posts dedicated to posting one single bit of badly drawn sitckmen art or something seemingly drawn in fifth grade, and then after said thread gets its share of praise showered upon(seemingly illogical because of quality of said drawings) , it sinks into the abyss...

...only for another thread by the same user appear featuring another amalgram of colours and blobs. Then more praise.

It almost feels as though the section had gone lower than Deviantart.

I have to say that I couldn't agree with you more.
I think the main problem is those offering "critique" are often afraid of discouraging the user by telling him/her the horrid quality of common stick "art".
I've seen plenty of cases where those who actually do step up and straight up say it are repressed by the same people who praise stick art, being told that "you're just a judgemental asshole" like suddenly no one can take critique.
It saddens me deeply for those who actually make a graphic effort, are ultimately ignored.

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On another topic, does anyone think that the community artwork is going a little too low?

Now I know I can't be asking for quality control, but it seems to me that many threads are just one time posts dedicated to posting one single bit of badly drawn sitckmen art or something seemingly drawn in fifth grade, and then after said thread gets its share of praise showered upon(seemingly illogical because of quality of said drawings) , it sinks into the abyss...

...only for another thread by the same user appear featuring another amalgram of colours and blobs. Then more praise.

It almost feels as though the section had gone lower than Deviantart.

Agreed. Although, this doesn't just happen in the art section. I've seen several examples of this executed in the animation section as well, when people decide to give an animation that obviously needs to be criticized upon posts and posts of praise, leaving that animator no ideas or thoughts of someone else's viewpoint.

I mean, like the art section, you'll get your handful of people who decide to give their honest opinion about any drawing or animation they encounter, but there are many people who decide to give that artist/animator praise, because they don't want to discourage or disappoint the animator or artist of the animation or art being commented upon.

I don't think you seem to understand that some people truly can't tell what is good from bad, so they praise everything. It's not about not wanting to put someone off, they genuinely think it's good. Which is even more depressing, really.

But as I've said, there's really nothing to be done about it. This site is built up by the content of everyone. It's not as though people should be barred from posting bad artwork, so I'm pretty much just ranting at this point.

...Although, I really, really, wish people posting art would just restrict themselves to just one thread, and ensure that it really IS art. I don't know if it is possible for all that to be hardcoded into the rules though, and what constitutes as real art is...something that is highly debatable.

if you guys want, i can go around the art section telling everyone who sucks exactly how much they suck (within reason - specifically, the ones which clearly have absolutely no effort involved. something that appears to have had effort put into it will earn legitimate critique, and something with genuinely good qualities will have said qualities recognized)

in fact, i'd be happy to do this for you. i've been restraining myself for a long time... poorly shaded stick figures with comments like "wow great" make me cringe. i will gladly kick art standards up a notch aggressively. or ten.

an old fashioned scarecrow-brand "public service announcement" may also be in order

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if you guys want, i can go around the art section telling everyone who sucks exactly how much they suck (within reason - specifically, the ones which clearly have absolutely no effort involved. something that appears to have had effort put into it will earn legitimate critique, and something with genuinely good qualities will have said qualities recognized)

in fact, i'd be happy to do this for you. i've been restraining myself for a long time... poorly shaded stick figures with comments like "wow great" make me cringe. i will gladly kick art standards up a notch aggressively. or ten.

an old fashioned scarecrow-brand "public service announcement" may also be in order

Do it. I might visit the section more frequently to see if there's any progress.


Unrelated lols: http://www.fileize.com/view/892879c2-e6c/

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I think the problem is two-fold:

a) People don't know how to critique properly. I know there's a guide lying around somewhere, but it's almost never referred to. Critiquing properly removes the fear of giving bad critique, and at the same time bolsters your opinions and makes them matter. It in turn helps the actual artist. By bad critique I refer to both half-empty and half-full stuff. There's this backwards way of thinking that feelings matter in a critique. And that there is such a thing as optimistic and pessimistic criticism. A good critique gives points on both good and bad, and actually gives the user something to work on. That's what ultimately matters.

b) The site's standards are too low. An easily crappy piece of art is easily praised and many are quick to say that what they do is "for fun" if railed with earth-shattering constructive criticism. This behavior shouldn't even exist if an environment of self-improvement is encouraged. The better artists in turn feel that it's not even worth it, and just leave or not even bother at all. Both sides should compromise. The experts should be more patient in dealing with the beginners and the beginners should be more patient with themselves.

Hey, this guy knows what he's talking about. I used to focus entirely on critiquing others, instead of doing my own artwork. I made sure to approach everything objectively, and note both the good and bad parts of even the worst-looking images, giving people very thorough walls of text on how to improve. And I did watch various artists improve tremendously, which they attributed entirely to my criticism.

Why so many people are afraid to critique, or don't know that anything's wrong to begin with, just baffles me. Can't people see that the image they're looking at has problems? No piece of art is "perfect", anything could be improved upon. This idea that it's "wrong" to tell someone what's wrong with their art and how to fix it is really killing our artistic communities.

I find it kind of funny, and I find it kind of sad, that some hundreds of years ago, Van Gogh was considered a terrible artist, and no one would buy his works, but now people will mindlessly praise any crayon drawing of someone's fancharacter on DeviantArt.

How DARE they critique my stick figure artwork!

Im sorry, I couldnt understand what you just said.

Well guys, it's getting closer and closer to mating season.
What are your plans for this year?