So my homosexual friend has decided he's a Christian. I will never understand people. Why follow a religion that considers you an abomination?

Christianity doesn't consider homosexuals an abomination, tolerance is a huge part of it. The issue lies in how the Bible is interpreted, correctly if I'm wrong but I'm sure there is no passage in the Bible, that says being gay is a sin.

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So my homosexual friend has decided he's a Christian. I will never understand people. Why follow a religion that considers you an abomination?

Christianity isn't defined by "all gay people will BURN IN HELL", it's defined as a religious sect that believes Jesus Christ was the prophet of God. If you forget this you can check out this nifty little mnemonic device: It's called Christianity! Plenty of Christians don't believe 90% of the things that are in the Bible, and they're still Christians.

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Plenty of Christians don't believe 90% of the things that are in the Bible, and they're still Christians.

I'm one of those 90%.

Personally I hate when Christians go to extreme and say gay is sin and no sex till marriage and youll go to hell if you don't.

Bullshit. If god is as good as he says he is, he will take you to heaven as long you don't do something intentionally to hurt mankind. I believe you should be able to have your own sexual preference or whether you wanna wait til marriage. its your choice.

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So my homosexual friend has decided he's a Christian. I will never understand people. Why follow a religion that considers you an abomination?

Well they believe in the magic man living in the clouds that is watching over everyone at every second of the day always.

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Christianity doesn't consider homosexuals an abomination, tolerance is a huge part of it. The issue lies in how the Bible is interpreted, correctly if I'm wrong but I'm sure there is no passage in the Bible, that says being gay is a sin.

It is in the Bible. Tolerance isn't a huge part of it. Either you're Christian or you go to hell. It's one or the other. That is why they try to convert people to Christianity. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

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Christianity isn't defined by "all gay people will BURN IN HELL", it's defined as a religious sect that believes Jesus Christ was the prophet of God. If you forget this you can check out this nifty little mnemonic device: It's called Christianity! Plenty of Christians don't believe 90% of the things that are in the Bible, and they're still Christians.

No Christians believe the Bible as the word of God and will take the words in the Bible to the grave.

How many of you guys have actually attended church on a regular Christian basis?

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Well they believe in the magic man living in the clouds

Not exactly. God can not be considered magic because, the Bible says some stuff against magic, specifically witchcraft, which more or less equals magic. Thought I should mention that. Oh, He isn't a man either. According to Genesis and some other books, He created man and isn't a man. Nor does He live in the clouds. The clouds aren't very high above us. As a matter of fact, I was recently on a plane above the clouds, The sky just had air, clouds and nothing else. Heaven does not equal sky. Heaven is heaven and the sky is the sky. Thought I should mention that, too.

Naimad. Did you find it necessary to just contradict that little sentence? XD

In my opinion, it's not the religion that lays claim on what is entitled an abomination, it's the people who blindly follow the spoken words of man. Like Boomer, there are plenty of Christians who believe whole heartedly that men and women are free to love either sex. The same could be said about a bunch of other religions as well.

It's the people who are afraid of change or extremely uncomfortable with free love that use the Bible or their religion as a shield to hide behind, and as a pedestal to look down on those who are different and, ultimately, people who they deem unworthy of going to heaven. It's the hate remarks from your average, everyday street walker that spreads anger like a virus to any of us who listen. Whether an individual is religious, atheist, straight, gay, transsexual, and everything in between; only those of us who listen to those words, and let it into our hearts, are effected negatively.

And though I'm not overlooking the public attacks and bashes, the attackers are still the same people who use their religion or their influence among their peers to make themselves feel better than those who are different (includes race, sexual preference, and social status). Hate is something that man creates and expresses amidst mankind, and therefore; I don't think the full blame should be given to the religion. A person, no matter what their sexual preference, should be allowed to believe in whichever religion they wish. Hopefully, they know the crowd that they put themselves into.

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How many of you guys have actually attended church on a regular Christian basis?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't churches run by mankind? The words of the Bible spread by mankind? An interpretation that is followed by many, but done so by the actions of mankind. Everyone can have their own interpretation of the Bible, even within the Christian religion. At least that's what I believe, and what my Aunt, a Christian, tells me, and has told me my whole life. <-- Kind of a hypocritical statement, but nonetheless it is one I've come to believe, and I don't expect my words to mean much here.

EDIT:: Ditto what Naimad said. xD

Adultery is a sin, but being Homo Sexual is not according to the Bible. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and ask for forgiveness for your sins, then you will go to heaven in Christianity. Love thy neigh boor and thy enemies is about Tolerance, not necessarily one's actions, but other people's beliefs and persons. Christian's convert others in order to save them as per the Bible. Even if you sin, you can be forgiven just by praying and accepting Jesus. In terms of Adultery, homosexual actions, specifically sex, can be considered adultery in interpretation, especially outside of marriage, by most most sects.

EDIT 2: For Example: A Christian should love, forgive, and care for a murderer, but not their actions. By separating the actions from the person, one can forgive them and still try to save them, but not necessarily love what they've done.

However, there is forgiveness for ever sin, except suicide since you die I guess, and the Bible does not have anything to say about identifying or living as a homosexual, except for Adultery.

@boom/Fusion: The Bible is considered as the word of god so it is an integral part of christianity. It is a book of faith though, so its meant to be interpreted liberally in order to have a Christ like life. Ultimately, religion is very subjective because at the end of the day its a belief system. That being said, accepting Jesus Christ as your savior and asking for forgiveness of sin is a requirement of going to heaven, being "good" is not really relevant.

Edit: regardless of your belief system, its ultimately subjective to everyone what they choose to believe in. Everyone has faith in something.

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Naimad. Did you find it necessary to just contradict that little sentence? XD

Didn't you know I have OCD? I thought I told you. :/

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In my opinion, it's not the religion that lays claim on what is entitled an abomination, it's the people who blindly follow the spoken words of man. Like Boomer, there are plenty of Christians who believe whole heartedly that men and women are free to love either sex. The same could be said about a bunch of other religions as well.

It's the people who are afraid of change or extremely uncomfortable with free love that use the Bible or their religion as a shield to hide behind, and as a pedestal to look down on those who are different and, ultimately, people who they deem unworthy of going to heaven. It's the hate remarks from your average, everyday street walker that spreads anger like a virus to any of us who listen. Whether an individual is religious, atheist, straight, gay, transsexual, and everything in between; only those of us who listen to those words, and let it into our hearts, are effected negatively.

And though I'm not overlooking the public attacks and bashes, the attackers are still the same people who use their religion or their influence among their peers to make themselves feel better than those who are different (includes race, sexual preference, and social status). Hate is something that man creates and expresses amidst mankind, and therefore; I don't think the full blame should be given to the religion. A person, no matter what their sexual preference, should be allowed to believe in whichever religion they wish. Hopefully, they know the crowd that they put themselves into.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't churches run by mankind? The words of the Bible spread by mankind? An interpretation that is followed by many, but done so by the actions of mankind. Everyone can have their own interpretation of the Bible, even within the Christian religion. At least that's what I believe, and what my Aunt, a Christian, tells me, and has told me my whole life. <-- Kind of a hypocritical statement, but nonetheless it is one I've come to believe, and I don't expect my words to mean much here.

EDIT:: Ditto what Naimad said. xD

The Bible's words have been changed over various translations, interpretations and atheist rants.

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The Bible's words have been changed over various translations, interpretations and atheist rants.

LOL, I feel like this is sort of an agreement, yet at the same time an argument to what I said.

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LOL, I feel like this is sort of an agreement, yet at the same time an argument to what I said.

It was both a sligthly satirical comment about some atheists twisting the words of the Bible to argue against it and a clarification that somewhat supports your comment.

WOOAHWHEE! An intellectual conversation within the Chat Thread, I wonder how long we can make this last.

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Adultery is a sin, but being Homo Sexual is not according to the Bible. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and ask for forgiveness for your sins, then you will go to heaven in Christianity. Love thy neigh boor and thy enemies is about Tolerance, not necessarily one's actions, but other people's beliefs and persons. Christian's convert others in order to save them as per the Bible. Even if you sin, you can be forgiven just by praying and accepting Jesus. In terms of Adultery, homosexual actions, specifically sex, can be considered adultery in interpretation, especially outside of marriage, by most most sects.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. -- Leviticus 18:22"

Did you even look at Arch-Angels link?
Being a Christian and denying parts of the bible is hypocrisy. Doing that you are basically saying that the word of God only applies when it suits you. While I do not say I think it is bad to cut out the cruel parts, I don't believe you can consider yourself very Christian if you do so.
You have to choose whether to follow the bible, or not.

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Adultery is a sin, but being Homo Sexual is not according to the Bible. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and ask for forgiveness for your sins, then you will go to heaven in Christianity. Love thy neigh boor and thy enemies is about Tolerance, not necessarily one's actions, but other people's beliefs and persons. Christian's convert others in order to save them as per the Bible. Even if you sin, you can be forgiven just by praying and accepting Jesus. In terms of Adultery, homosexual actions, specifically sex, can be considered adultery in interpretation, especially outside of marriage, by most most sects.

EDIT 2: For Example: A Christian should love, forgive, and care for a murderer, but not their actions. By separating the actions from the person, one can forgive them and still try to save them, but not necessarily love what they've done.

However, there is forgiveness for ever sin, except suicide since you die I guess, and the Bible does not have anything to say about identifying or living as a homosexual, except for Adultery.

@boom/Fusion: The Bible is considered as the word of god so it is an integral part of christianity. It is a book of faith though, so its meant to be interpreted liberally in order to have a Christ like life. Ultimately, religion is very subjective because at the end of the day its a belief system. That being said, accepting Jesus Christ as your savior and asking for forgiveness of sin is a requirement of going to heaven, being "good" is not really relevant.

Edit: regardless of your belief system, its ultimately subjective to everyone what they choose to believe in. Everyone has faith in something.

2013
still hasn't figured out sin is in our blood and inescapable
Doesn't realize as long as you're true to yourself and others you'll be happy and probably won't suffer in an eternal blaze

Also: You think everyone has faith in something? Someone needs to learn about nihilism I think.

Atheism means without God, not without faith, so in that regard it is simply a non-theistic religion, where religion is any belief system.
Its ironic how less tolerant/more ignorant Atheist claim to be faithless when they in fact purport faith in the belief that their observations, or the observations that others have made, are infallible.
Because we are participants rather than outside observers of the universe, we can't really know for sure or at all.

Christianty like any religion is subjective, but the core tenets include the belief that the Bible is the word of God and that Jesus Christ offers salvation. As long as one interprets the Bible to live in a Christ like way, it is Christianity.

@Gunni, its still an interpretation, I didn't see the link when he posted it. That bans actions not what one believes

@Justu, nilhism is still a belief system so its ultimately faith. Never said you could escape sin, Even the old testament has ways of forgiveness, after the new testament, christ is how you are forgiven for your sin