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May 1, 2014 6:09 AM #1191555
I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce Lee were dominated if he had ever stepped into the ring against decent competition.
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May 1, 2014 6:18 AM #1191556
Hey brosauce. Bout to catch some Zs. Appreciate the participation!
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May 1, 2014 6:28 AM #1191557
Oh well, I've been playing league. Kept checking the forum to see if you replied.
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May 1, 2014 9:32 AM #1191575
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I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce Lee were dominated if he had ever stepped into the ring against decent competition.


who would be your idea of "decent competition"?
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May 1, 2014 12:56 PM #1191607
Well it's hard to really choose a fighter from the right discipline, as I am not sure what type of fight you would put Bruce Lee in.

What I can say is.

Put him in a boxing match with Floyd Mayweather, and he'll lose badly.
Put him in an MMA match with Anderson Silva, and he'll lose badly (not a fair fight though, as Silva is like 6 foot, but you get the idea).
Put him in a kick boxing/Muay Thai style fight, and there's bound to be people who would beat up on him.

He was more of a showman than a fighter.
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May 1, 2014 1:30 PM #1191612
I don't watch fighting sports all that much (if at all), so everything I'm going to say won't be 100%

Assuming Bruce Lee is in top form, which would put him around 135lb, I think he can do well if he fought a top bantamweight fighter. If we take this website's ranking, Bruce would fight Renan Barao.
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May 1, 2014 1:46 PM #1191615
I was more of the Jackie Chan guy than the Bruce Lee guy.
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May 1, 2014 3:22 PM #1191623
Raptor, please.
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May 1, 2014 3:52 PM #1191626
Sacred, please.

I'm more of a Jackie Chan guy too
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May 1, 2014 5:03 PM #1191636
Apex, please.

I'm a Donnie Yen guy.
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May 1, 2014 6:43 PM #1191647
Wyzdm, please. I'm more of a Spongebob Squarepants kind of a guy.

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May 1, 2014 10:33 PM #1191659
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Well it's hard to really choose a fighter from the right discipline, as I am not sure what type of fight you would put Bruce Lee in.

What I can say is.

Put him in a boxing match with Floyd Mayweather, and he'll lose badly.
Put him in an MMA match with Anderson Silva, and he'll lose badly (not a fair fight though, as Silva is like 6 foot, but you get the idea).
Put him in a kick boxing/Muay Thai style fight, and there's bound to be people who would beat up on him.

He was more of a showman than a fighter.

Anderson Silva would probably destroy Bruce Lee, but Floyd Mayweather might have to work extra hard to take out Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee utilized his knees and elbows along with his fists. Although Floyd has great defense as a boxer, he might not be disciplined enough to move around other things that aren't fists.
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May 2, 2014 12:32 AM #1191677
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Well it's hard to really choose a fighter from the right discipline, as I am not sure what type of fight you would put Bruce Lee in.

What I can say is.

Put him in a boxing match with Floyd Mayweather, and he'll lose badly.
Put him in an MMA match with Anderson Silva, and he'll lose badly (not a fair fight though, as Silva is like 6 foot, but you get the idea).
Put him in a kick boxing/Muay Thai style fight, and there's bound to be people who would beat up on him.

He was more of a showman than a fighter.

Of course if you take the fighter out of their element they're going to get their ass kicked. Bruce's style didn't adhere to any rules. Rules are important for any competition, naturally, but once rules are established certain techniques are banned and thus other techniques that have primary weaknesses that are banned become more powerful as a consequence. Don't believe me? Alright I'll explain.

Example: Double leg take down
A great technique for certain. But it's used all the time in mixed martial arts, sometimes in situations where it wouldn't be wise in an honest fight. In the octogon you can't strike the back of the head, when attempting a double leg take down this is the most exposed part of the head. Once one of their knees is on the mat you can't kick or knee them in the head. You can't grab and rip off their ears, it could be easily done in defense of a double leg take down, because the ears are exposed and their arms are away from their head. You can't break their neck. You can't gouge their eyes with your thumb. It's against the rules to do these things, but they're all effective ways to defend the technique. So the technique becomes dominant, because it's superior in the meta-game, the established perimeters for the fight. But in an honest fight without rules, without limitation, not so much.

Don't misunderstand though, I'm not saying it's a bad technique, because it's not at all, it's an amazing technique. I use it all the time while sparring. But I'm constantly protecting my face and the back of my head, I'm constantly trying to apply it in a way that ensures my safety while still accomplishing what the technique is designed to do. Because when I'm sparring with my partner I trust them to not intentionally harm me, so we have no rules at all. It's much harder to apply this technique when considering all these other obstacles and hard ground is a lot more intimidating than the flat mat of the octogon.

This "Meta-game" effect, can teach fighters bad habits. Why, if I'm concerned for my safety, would I practice a guard that assumes I won't get hit in the testicles?

It's funny when you consider that MMA directly defies the original spirit of mixing martial arts in this way, something Bruce was all about. His self invented martial art "Jeet kun do" was a mesh of many things he'd been trained in "From boxing to jujitsu". But wasn't so much a style as a philosophy of how to develop your own style. He taught "Take what is useful for you and discard what isn't". Basically it was MMA before MMA was even a thing.

Saying he was more of a showman is ironic.

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Anderson Silva would probably destroy Bruce Lee, but Floyd Mayweather might have to work extra hard to take out Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee utilized his knees and elbows along with his fists. Although Floyd has great defense as a boxer, he might not be disciplined enough to move around other things that aren't fists.

Well, we'll never know the honest extent of Bruce's abilities since he's dead. But I'd wager he could've stacked up to just about anyone in his weight class.

It's easy to say that these fighters are better, because we've got a much larger archive of their abilities to access. Comparatively we know little of Bruce's abilities, we know little things, like he was too fast for cameras. Basically the cameras couldn't capture his movement hardly, he had to slow down to be a blur.
But at this stage that's all exposition.

I'd love to have seen Floyd fight Bruce in a real fight, where he doesn't have bitch mittens strapped to his hands and can't inject his fists with painkillers.
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May 2, 2014 1:11 AM #1191681
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Well, we'll never know the honest extent of Bruce's abilities since he's dead. But I'd wager he could've stacked up to just about anyone in his weight class.

It's easy to say that these fighters are better, because we've got a much larger archive of their abilities to access. Comparatively we know little of Bruce's abilities, we know little things, like he was too fast for cameras. Basically the cameras couldn't capture his movement hardly, he had to slow down to be a blur.
But at this stage that's all exposition.

I'd love to have seen Floyd fight Bruce in a real fight, where he doesn't have bitch mittens strapped to his hands and can't inject his fists with painkillers.


Right, I actually agree with you 100%. That's why I said it would take Floyd a little more than usual to take Bruce down, if he can at all. Anderson Silva is 6'2" and is pretty well-versed in Muay Thai (not the only thing in his arsenal) so that's why I said he'd be able to destroy Bruce. Do we know for sure? Definitely not, but I'd put my money on Silva just because of his size.
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May 2, 2014 1:18 AM #1191682
Yeah man, I'm glad you agree. I wasn't taking an argumentative stance so sorry if it seems that way.

Are we talking about Anderson Silva prime? The young, unstoppable champion? Or in general, when he shows up to the ring with visibly less energy, visibly less in shape and having clearly slacked off his training and lost the passion? The Silva that shows up and disrespects his own title, showing that he is no longer deserving of it.
I think one of the two Silva's could fight Bruce, and the other one could shatter his leg in his second embarrassing defeat against the significantly inferior and less experienced fighter that is Chris Wiedman.
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Oh snap!

This is an interesting topic. What's the setting? How and where are they fighting?

If you give it to Silva based on size, then I'll give it to Bruce based on his sheer dedication.
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