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did you actually just fucking suggest child labour? what the fuck is wrong with you? other problems i have here include:
>assuming that everyone has the skills and experience needed to credibly run a small business
>assuming that running a small business will automatically fix all of anybody's monetary problems
>assuming that there are enough minimum-wage jobs

no, that's the cut and dry bullshit of the business world. which, for the record, is abhorrent. university education USED to be free, you know. people now have to pay ridiculous amounts of money for one, and not everyone can reasonably afford to get more than one degree. note that uncapping university fees is only going to make this problem worse.

this is the kind of self-righteous bullshit that is wrong with the world today. there's this thing called 'misfortune'. you may be lucky enough that you don't have to deal with it, but not everyone is. some are successful, and that's great, good for them. the problem is when the successful start believing that they are inherently better than the unsuccessful. obviously they are successful because they did something right, and the unsuccessful are unsuccessful because they did something wrong! no. that's fucking bullshit. you can't assume to know what people have been through, and you can't assume that you weren't just one lucky fucking bastard. learn some goddamn modesty and for fuck's sake have some compassion. this attitude is what leads to war. the day our general populus values success over compassion will literally be beginning of the end for humanity.

you're forgetting to account for the damage the mining industry does. similar to above, the day we value money over the environment will literally be the beginning of the end of the world (note that this has basically already happened; we're all FUCKED because of people with your mentality). the budget and the economy is absurdly unimportant compared to what's being sacrificed.

people like you are everything that is wrong with our country and i no longer have any respect for you. an imaginary budget crisis should never come before the welfare of the people, much less the vulnerable that can't even do anything to help themselves. fuck you, fuck all his supporters, fuck abbot, and fuck liberal.

*Yes, yes I did seriously suggest that measure.
*Regarding small business, this only applies if they HAVE the skill, and having enough skill WILL likely lead to success.
*I've hinted at stimulating business to make more minimum wage jobs and the like, and I believe that the government providing jobs would fill in the gaps. Obviously on its own the plan would fall apart, but combined with other measures...

Citation needed. When was post-secondary education ever free? And if it was, how do you think the US/world/whatever can get it back?

*Then tell me how it is that the successful are successful if not by sheer merit. I dare you to read this biography, look me in the eye, and say the most pathetically unsuccessful families in a 1st-world country can't get themselves up on their own.
*And on another note, compassion walks a very fine line between tough love and devolution. Success is often carried along by compassion, but success is still the bigger picture. Without its ambition, civilization would still be in the dung ages. Compassion is but a means to an end. A tool to sow success with. There is a time and a place for it, but turning your fellow man into a simpering parasite is NOT one of them.

I stopped reading at "end of the world." Economics clearly state that efficiency breeds savings and financial gain, so the Darwinian policies of Capitalism will eventually weed out uncompromising institutions and breed a generation that relies on clean energy the moment it becomes efficient. Knowing how many people want such a thing and how many are rising to the challenge, it will only be a matter of time before mankind inevitably find a way. Frankly, it's actually bleeding-hearts like you that are damning humanity in this pointless crusade to prematurely rush what is destined to occur in a near and opportune future.

You say "our country" like I am a part of it. I'd say the war on poverty and the war on biosphere collapse is pointless, but my BS radar forecasts a heavy shitstorm in the event that I do. You and I are political opposites, but if I am to walk away without a convert then I will not leave my dignity behind.

Faciat Yahweh misereatur tuus anima.

EDIT: YouWishJellyfish, I really wish that I could carry on the debate, but I think Scarecrow did a better job at refuting than you did.

Tbf, I think the stuff he's saying about the mining companies is true in the long run. Albeit with a sentence about microeconomics followed by a rhetorical question about macroeconomics then followed by the macroeconomic statement, which is poor writing. It also assumes either elastic demand curves or a competitive market, but that's not unreasonable (although I can't say I've checked). Counterpoint: By the same principles you could give equal benefit to the company by giving that amount of money to consumers, with the additional bonus that the consumers could decide they would rather have e.g. food and then the jobs will be created in the agriculture sector. Or, fuck it, don't give the money to anyone; it'll reduce government crowding out in the lending market, lower interest rates, and let the companies borrow to invest if it's actually worth it. [C + [I = S] + G + (X - M) = GDP] + [transitivity of addition] = magic.

The unquestionably bad stuff is in the first part of his post, where he's saying people should take big risks with entrepreneurship but at the same time advocating removal of the safety net for when some percentage of people inevitably fail. His response would presumably be that anyone who starts a business which fails should have started a better business, but that would be to ignore the fact that most new businesses fail and even professional investors and venture capitalists cannot reliably predict which businesses will succeed.


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You can't learn what it takes to be successful by reading a biography of one successful person. You should read the biography of the successful person and the ten thousand other biographies of the ten thousand people who tried similar stuff and failed. Except those guys didn't all get book deals.

Also, it's like you've never heard of externalities. I'm as ardent a capitalist as I think a person can be, but you have to accept that sometimes third parties are affected by transactions and it isn't factored into the market price. Such is the case with environmental issues. That's why we have taxes on carbon.

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*Then tell me how it is that the successful are successful if not by sheer merit. I dare you to read this biography, look me in the eye, and say the most pathetically unsuccessful families in a 1st-world country can't get themselves up on their own.

Have you ever read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell? Good book, you should definitely read it.

So much content.


It's amazing when we've got this many quality members on at one time.

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EDIT: YouWishJellyfish, I really wish that I could carry on the debate, but I think Scarecrow did a better job at refuting than you did.

Tertiary education was free for about 15 years.

Also, no. You decide not to actually address any of my points, continue to sprout your 1850's economic bullshit views, wave your cock around like the arrogant, pretentious, cunt that you are, and you expect me to 'carry on the debate'. Go fuck yourself you failure of a human being.
edit: I totally read what you said as 'I wish you could', so that's my bad. Buuuut I stand by my whole hearted hate for you.

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*Yes, yes I did seriously suggest that measure.
*Regarding small business, this only applies if they HAVE the skill, and having enough skill WILL likely lead to success.
*I've hinted at stimulating business to make more minimum wage jobs and the like, and I believe that the government providing jobs would fill in the gaps. Obviously on its own the plan would fall apart, but combined with other measures...

Citation needed. When was post-secondary education ever free? And if it was, how do you think the US/world/whatever can get it back?

*Then tell me how it is that the successful are successful if not by sheer merit. I dare you to read this biography, look me in the eye, and say the most pathetically unsuccessful families in a 1st-world country can't get themselves up on their own.
*And on another note, compassion walks a very fine line between tough love and devolution. Success is often carried along by compassion, but success is still the bigger picture. Without its ambition, civilization would still be in the dung ages. Compassion is but a means to an end. A tool to sow success with. There is a time and a place for it, but turning your fellow man into a simpering parasite is NOT one of them.

I stopped reading at "end of the world." Economics clearly state that efficiency breeds savings and financial gain, so the Darwinian policies of Capitalism will eventually weed out uncompromising institutions and breed a generation that relies on clean energy the moment it becomes efficient. Knowing how many people want such a thing and how many are rising to the challenge, it will only be a matter of time before mankind inevitably find a way. Frankly, it's actually bleeding-hearts like you that are damning humanity in this pointless crusade to prematurely rush what is destined to occur in a near and opportune future.

You say "our country" like I am a part of it. I'd say the war on poverty and the war on biosphere collapse is pointless, but my BS radar forecasts a heavy shitstorm in the event that I do. You and I are political opposites, but if I am to walk away without a convert then I will not leave my dignity behind.

Faciat Yahweh misereatur tuus anima.

EDIT: YouWishJellyfish, I really wish that I could carry on the debate, but I think Scarecrow did a better job at refuting than you did.

so, you acknowledge that it's implausible for everyone to do, and yet still blame the people who can't do it for not being able to? okay.
university education was free in australia between 1974 and 1989. do your own goddamn research.
you're pointing me to one success-by-hard-work story and implying that anybody in any circumstance should be able to do the same. that's false dichotomy. the rest of this section sickens me. you are a horrible person.
"efficiency"? are you fucking kidding me? if the powers that be had any interest whatsoever in efficiency, they wouldn't be hoarding all the money they can get their fat fucking fingers on. their interest is purely in their own hip pockets, and they sure as hell don't have any interest in clean energy. it's a pressing and immediate concern that could really use more funding, but they don't give a fuck what happens to our planet. they'll be dead before anything serious happens, so why should they care? they just keep focusing on the most immediate source of income - fossil fuels. you think we should just sit around on our asses and wait for someone else to figure it out, huh? that's the stupidest fucking thing i've heard all week, and you wouldn't believe how much bullshit i've heard this week.

you'll have to forgive me for assuming that you are commenting on this because you are part of the country concerned and therefore might have an idea of what the fuck you're talking about.

Oh boy, I'll come back after I read a few pages!!!

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Oh boy, I'll come back after I read a few pages!!!

Waaaait a minute... is that an FA emoticon I see there?

Also, Camila join in. This argument is fun.

WhiteShadow: A prime example of the "I don't give a fuck what happens to other people as long as it's not happening to me" mentality. I didn't think people thought like that anymore, unless they were super rich, or a brainwashed child of a super rich guy. But even then, it's hard not to think he's trolling.
I mean, who would really suggest child labor as a way to help fight poverty unless they were intentionally trying to piss people off?

Guys I think I'm entering a phase. It might be good, it might be bad. I can't get a fucking boner anymore, and there is this chick that wants me to bang her really bad. I dont want to let her down. I haven't masturbated for a long time because of it. It's hard if not impossible to turn me on anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiV6rNLwbvc&list=UUY_5z5hSLAVI6AWrIemp1mA. Just a random video.

Also, I completely forgot to say hi to you, Miracle. It's nice to see a cool new member hanging out here :)

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Guys I think I'm entering a phase. It might be good, it might be bad. I can't get a fucking boner anymore, and there is this chick that wants me to bang her really bad. I dont want to let her down. I haven't masturbated for a long time because of it. It's hard if not impossible to turn me on anymore.

I bet you just have some kinks that you haven't figured out yet....



get her to poop on your chest

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I bet you just have some kinks that you haven't figured out yet....



get her to poop on your chest

You just made my night dude, but I don't think that'll work haha.

I tried masturbating today and it was a constant turn on/off battle the whole way. every second.

at least I came in the end. I was afraid I was sterol (or however the fuck you spell it)

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I bet you just have some kinks that you haven't figured out yet....



get her to poop on your chest

uhhhhhhhhh I mean I guess that could work?... Maybe?

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WhiteShadow: A prime example of the "I don't give a fuck what happens to other people as long as it's not happening to me" mentality. I didn't think people thought like that anymore, unless they were super rich, or a brainwashed child of a super rich guy. But even then, it's hard not to think he's trolling. I mean, who would really suggest child labor as a way to help fight poverty unless they were intentionally trying to piss people off?

I don't think he is, otherwise he would've successfully pissed me off a long time ago (either in PM's or IRC). Outside of RHG discussions (maybe even in), I felt that he always tried to look snarky and classy* but it just doesn't work in these kinds of communities.
*Can't find the proper adjective(s).

In other events, my family's gonna drag me off into another out-of-town vacation to some other province. ;_; I just wanna spend more time with you guys. (and Dark Souls II :p)