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Thanks for the reply, and putting so much effort into it. I appreciate it.

1) Change the rules and let imperfect humans into Heaven. He's omnipotent so he can do that.
2) Make a middle ground like Earth, but without sin so all the normal people who weren't religious can go there when they die. Better than suffering Hell for eternity, and there's no reason he can't do this.
3) Lock Satan in Hell immediately and stop letting him ruin human lives outside of human control.
4) Let everyone be born in Heaven and not have to go through a tiny flicker of existence on Earth before spending untold trillions of years in an afterlife.
5)There's no reason things have to be so flawed.

1)don't question God
2 he will, after the judgement is complete, revelation says God will make a new earth without sin, and he and everyone will be in it
3)he will, revealtion says that God will become wroth with the world and lock satan up for a 1000 years and the world will be with out sin, at peace and with out war(blessed be that day)
4)babies do born in heavean, and will happn, in his desalinated time
5)and they wont, we just have to wait and that hope, will become a reality
what you are asking tho, is why he doesn't do it now, but like i said, he doesn't count time like we do, what we call now or today is like half a slip second to God, he has everything to do, and to do in its own time, he has to control heaven y'kno, and the universe and keep the planets in one place and all that, but he will, and he has allreadt set a date for it

i'm not righteous person, but do you think i want to be destroyed right now, this very second with out a chance to repent, or see the glory of God ascending, NO. and neither do you. ther are ppl that good are waiting for to come on to him. take for example God destroy the whole world in Noah's time, he would have destroyed the good with the bad, now why should the righteous pay for the sins on the wicked, and even if he did that, moses wouldn't have been born, paul, david, solomon, jerimiah, all these great ppl whom God loved, so you see. now i can understand if the world is in total chaos and that brink of destruction and there is nothing esle good that can come from it, then i'll take the good with me and destroy all the rest. but not even i can comprehend a good enough reason better than the GOD head, that the closest i can come too

Quote from Mark XD]try to imaging if you were a god, figuratively speaking, you created lego men, and had the power to bring them to life, also had to power to turn into one and walk with then in a beautiful place you creatd for them to live, but one turns bad and started killing and corrupting the other, is that your fault, No, you wanted to create life and give light to the darkness that was the universe, how ever it would be your job to separate that one from the others rather than kill him, because he is still your creation and you are a kind, just, loving and merciful god, which God did, several times, turning Satan from and upright man, to a serpent, and to a spirit, but of he continues to find way to curpt and destroy, then being a just god and righteous in judgement, you can destroy him, which God will, as it is written in revelations.[/quote]
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st retarded comparison ever.

this is the only thing i can agree with for everything you said all day
but i still feel great compassion for you, and hope that someday, you find christ, *hug*
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oh yh, i forgot to also show how HELL is reeal
*grabs bible*
2 peter 2:4 for God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement;
luke 12:5 but i will forewarn you whom ye shall fear, fear him, him after he hath killed, hath the power to cast into hell;, yes, i say unto you, fear him
mark 9:43 and if thy hand offend thee, cut it off; for it is better for thee to enter into life mained, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched...
also
matthew 25:30,41, mathew 23:33,43 grab your bibles

1) You're again using the same logic that ONLY tyrants and dictators use to justify their actions. You still haven't refuted that.

2) Quoting scripture doesn't PROVE anything. Thats like saying Genies exist because you read Aladdin.

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It was turned into a weapon by Loki's magic right? So its not that incomprehensible.

lemme quickly check.




It was just a sharpened mistletoe twig. There may have been different renditions of the same story, so I dunno really. Norse priests weren't always 100% on everything back in the time.

DONT QUESTION GOD MKAY

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But in your case, God would still be a dick because he created life without having the power to protect it. He wouldn't be a dick of malice like the Christian god, he would be a dick of carelessness who allowed his power to be usurped.

Is being unprepared and innocent to the idea of sin still being a dick? If you had no know threat then why would you need to make such precautions? Corruption developed in those Angels because they are all different and the slightest difference can make all the difference as to where it will go. Infinite possibilities.

If you were to make a clone of yourself and put it in a different environment it will end up different From you in some way

And holy shit someone had a pack of fireworks in their backpack and somehow it set off and the backpack exploded and started flying like a rocket! Who the hell brings fireworks to a campus? Damn thing almost hit me XD

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It was just a sharpened mistletoe twig. There may have been different renditions of the same story, so I dunno really.

I think I read in the Encyclopedia that it was turned into a dart or spear or arrow.

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Norse priests weren't always 100% on everything back in the time.

They should have listened to Mark XD.

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Is being unprepared and innocent to the idea of sin still being a dick? If you had no know threat then why would you need to make such precautions? Corruption developed in those Angels because they are all different and the slightest difference can make all the difference as to where it will go. Infinite possibilities.

If you were to make a clone of yourself and put it in a different environment it will end up different From you in some way

But you still created life without being 100% sure that you could protect it. If a parent left their child inside the car and the child suffocates, I'm not saying they did it on purpose, but they're still dicks for having kids without having the knowledge on how to keep them safe.

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1) You're again using the same logic that ONLY tyrants and dictators use to justify their actions. You still haven't refuted that.

I'M ADOLF HITLER, CAMMADER OF THE SEVENTH RANK, DONT QUESTION ME d:
LOL tho seriously
or you trying to say GOD is like those ppl, lol, first off
1 GOD doesn't die, they do
2 they didn' create us so we have no obligation to folow them, God did
3 they rules with fear and evil, GOD IS TO BE FEAR YES, BUT HE IS ALSO to be loved, and he loves us, they don't
4 they lie, God dont

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Quoting scripture doesn't PROVE anything. Thats like saying Genies exist because you read Aladdin.

just stop >_>

@Not-Nish but a forgivable dick at least eh? Not something you would hold an eternal grudge about right?

Since we're assuming this conversation needs no logic or rationale:

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1 GOD doesn't die, they do

God doesn't exists. They do.

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2 they didn' create us so we have no obligation to folow them, God did

So if my Dad is a serial killer, I have an obligation to help him skin his victims?

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3 they rules with fear and evil, GOD IS TO BE FEAR YES, BUT HE IS ALSO to be loved, and he loves us, they don't

Hitler loved Nazis and wanted to be loved by them. The same can be said for Stalin, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein or George Bush. So God is exactly like them?

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4 they lie, God dont

But he has left scientific proof all over the world that his word and his scriptures are lies.

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just stop >_>

Because you can't refute the logic?

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@Not-Nish but a forgivable dick at least eh? Not something you would hold an eternal grudge about right?

Since suffering for humanity goes on for eternity, he will be a dick until he comes back to save us. Also, he must answer for the countless deaths so far that he has allowed to happen through his weakness, given your theory.

-_- Guys, seriously can we just change the subject? This conversation about God is going nowhere since everyone is being too stubborn about each others' points of view on the subject to even consider thinking about other sides of the argument. I understand that you're all passionate about your beliefs, but there is a difference between a well-managed discussion about a rather diverse subject and a full-out contest about who can do the best at asserting their opinions on others.

Honestly, don't you guys think we can do better? I know I'm being blunt with all this, but this is getting out of hand in my opinion.

EDIT: HELLO?!?

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Since we're assuming this conversation needs no logic or rationale:
God doesn't exists. They do.
So if my Dad is a serial killer, I have an obligation to help him skin his victims?
Hitler loved Nazis and wanted to be loved by them. The same can be said for Stalin, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein or George Bush. So God is exactly like them?
But he has left scientific proof all over the world that his word and his scriptures are lies.
Because you can't refute the logic?

the fact that pose such questions is....
forget it, you're preposterous

pm me, if anyone wishes to discus this futher

@Not-Nish and if he is trying and is sorry for all or man who have had to suffer because the devil is the direct and main cause of human suffering?

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the fact that pose such questions is....
forget it, you're preposterous

No you were just unprepared to debate your side and every time he tries to provide you with logic you fall back on your go to scriptures. Cmon dude

Edit: Got ninja'd. This is my last post to Mark then :p

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1)don't question God

Sorry, I can't accept this. There's really nothing stopping God in his omnipotence from letting imperfect humans into Heaven, unless he specifically wants them to go to Hell. The rest of the bible verses are things after untold billions of humans have died and went to hell. I'm saying he can easily do that before that happens.

If a single human soul has to go to Hell for actions they did during their ignorant and insignificant life on Earth, God doesn't love mankind like John 3:16 claims. He's omnipotent and capable of stopping anyone from having to go there.

Thanks again for answering though

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the fact that pose such questions is....
forget it, you're preposterous

understanding the concept of logical consistency doesn't make him preposterous.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that trusting something 100% without any proof of said thing existing outside of a book written by someone without modern scientific knowledge, and edited by political leaders without questioning it's existence, just might be preposterous.