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Feb 5, 2016 4:42 PM #1435630
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God wants you to eat vegetables, so you will live, satan wants you to examine it forever, so you will never get an answer and die of starvation and go to hell


How does God want us to figure out what the good vegetables are and what the poisonous ones are? Just blindly eat everything and hope he cures us? But what if he has a bet with the devil that you'll die and still praise him? Lol. Also, seriously speaking, that is the most retarded comparison ever. You're saying all curiosity and examination will go on for eternity and no conclusions must be drawn, and hence blind faith is the best way to go?

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Cant really address c and d in your post. You're probably right, but I feel it's not right to do so. It's like saying everything he knows is a lie... it would be a crushing realization, no?


It would be a crushing realistion to Nazis too to tell them Hitler was an asshole. But someone has to do it.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:42 PM #1435631
Yes, because we always hear of scientists die from lack of vegetables. Death by examination as we all know.

Fucking hell man, do you really think a fucking cucumber is that deep? We've already found out most, if not all, there is fucking to it. Its also highly unlikely that there is something dangerous hidden within it.

I remember there was some incident in france(?) in the 1700's, where people were dying by food poisoning. People blamed the tomatoes, as it was the most common food used by the victims. People blindly believed it, until one man came along and questioned it. He created a challenge where he would eat a whole basket of tomatoes without dying. People called him mad, but he survived. Then when people actually started to look into it, it had to do with the cutlery they used that poisoned the food. I think it was some type of metal that would cause food poisoning if digested.

But if we never questioned it, we would not be eating tomatoes this very day. and who's to say that people wouldn't start believing the same with all other healthy food?
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Feb 5, 2016 4:43 PM #1435632
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@devour, ok, i'll respond to it,
and i'll quote scriptures to
hell was created for satan and his angel, hell wasn't created for man, satan corrupted man with sin, and we deid, so because we then died in sin, we could not enter in to heaven. God does not count time as we do, a day to good is a thousand years to us, man has since live the approximate age of 120 years since the change/new testament because sin was great on the eart and Jesus had to come a stop it.
roman 6:23for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternel life through jesus christ our lord.
roman 5:12 wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

then Jesus brought forgiveness by deing for us
roman 5:21 that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might the grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jeses christ our lord.

but lets not forget the love of God, e loves us and would never do all those bad thing to us, it is satan.
Roman 8:18 fro i rekon that the suffering of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
you see, "not worthy to be compared with" so stop questioning God.

romans 8:24 for we are saved by hope; but hope that is seen is not hope; for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
"8:25 but if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,...
John :16 for god so love the world that he gaave his only begotten Son, that whosoever belieth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
john 15:13 greater love have no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

Thanks for the reply, and putting so much effort into it. I appreciate it.

The problem I have with this is that God allowed Satan to trick Eve and make humans get sent to Hell by the billions from that day on. For an omnipotent being, there are so many better ways to deal with this so that humans with tiny lifespans don't need to go to Hell forever:

1) Change the rules and let imperfect humans into Heaven. He's omnipotent so he can do that.
2) Make a middle ground like Earth, but without sin so all the normal people who weren't religious can go there when they die. Better than suffering Hell for eternity, and there's no reason he can't do this.
3) Lock Satan in Hell immediately and stop letting him ruin human lives outside of human control.
4) Let everyone be born in Heaven and not have to go through a tiny flicker of existence on Earth before spending untold trillions of years in an afterlife.

There's no reason things have to be so flawed.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:45 PM #1435633
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Yes, because we always hear of scientists die from lack of vegetables. Death by examination as we all know.


Goddamit devi, you made me spill my juice!
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Feb 5, 2016 4:48 PM #1435634
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Wow, is this the first time I've seen you swear in an argument?


you're joking right?

I'm not going to put up with some 16 year old talking down to us like literal children just because he's frustrated at his inability to radically change our belief systems with his half-assed arguments.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:48 PM #1435635
You know guys I think I may have a theory (please don't think I'm stating this as fact)

What if God is not all powerful and he created man and everything was wonderful until some of his angels became corrupt, one deeming himself as Satin. What if while God was trying to get rid of sin and corruption within our world and our universe that along the line Satin cut off Gods ability to directly interact with earth? What if God is trapped in heaven and the devil has been free to interact with earth for so long without God being able to stop him and he has been corrupting earth? What if the devil created hell for himself and wishes to corrupt and bring all of gods creation to hell thus bringing Missury upon earth for so long and God has only been able to watch and spectate in sadness from heaven just waiting and hoping for his children us to return home in heaven? What if heaven is in another dimension and the Devil made it a one way path. Those may enter but not leave.

What if this is why god is no able to interact with us as well as he once did and can only use so much of his power to help us?

What if the story is more tragic and less of it just being an all powerful God that does everything for entertainment and not having a sense of empathy and being vengeful of those who don't blindly follow him?

What if this is the truth rather than what is in the bible, the scriptures, et?

What if God is absolute good, but not absolute power?
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Feb 5, 2016 4:52 PM #1435636
He's not God then. God is a being that has absolute power over everythin and anything. If he doesnt, he's not god.

Also no homo nish <3
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Feb 5, 2016 4:52 PM #1435637
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you're joking right?

I'm not going to put up with some 16 year old talking down to us like literal children just because he's not radically changing our belief systems with his half-assed arguments.


I've seen your swear, but I don't recall seeing you swear AT someone personally in a debate. Is my brain getting old?

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You know guys I think I may have a theory (please don't think I'm stating this as fact)

What if God is not all powerful and he created man and everything was wonderful until some of his angels became corrupt, one deeming himself as Satin. What if while God was trying to get rid of sin and corruption within our world and our universe that along the line Satin cut off Gods ability to directly interact with earth? What if God is trapped in heaven and the devil has been free to interact with earth for so long without God being able to stop him and he has been corrupting earth? What if the devil created hell for himself and wishes to corrupt and bring all of gods creation to hell thus bringing Missury upon earth for so long and God has only been able to watch and spectate in sadness from heaven just waiting and hoping for his children us to return home in heaven? What if heaven is in another dimension and the Devil made it a one way path. Those may enter but not leave.

What if this is why god is no able to interact with us as well as he once did and can only use so much of his power to help us?

What if the story is more tragic and less of it just being an all powerful God that does everything for entertainment and not having a sense of empathy and being vengeful of those who don't blindly follow him?

What if this is the truth rather than what is in the bible, the scriptures, et?

What if God is absolute good, but not absolute power?


I like this theory, but what about Satin's brothers Silk, Cotton, Nylon and Polyester?

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Feb 5, 2016 4:52 PM #1435638
Trust me mate, to god right now we could be Earth Version 56.251. He has unlimited power, so he could always just dick around with different worlds, having different variables with each one to discover how it reacts, cataloging it in his mind to find a perfect combination

That saying of course that god is a scientist.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:52 PM #1435639
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Thanks for the reply, and putting so much effort into it. I appreciate it.

The problem I have with this is that God allowed Satan to trick Eve and make humans get sent to Hell by the billions from that day on. For an omnipotent being, there are so many better ways to deal with this so that humans with tiny lifespans don't need to go to Hell forever:

1) Change the rules and let imperfect humans into Heaven. He's omnipotent so he can do that.
2) Make a middle ground like Earth, but without sin so all the normal people who weren't religious can go there when they die. Better than suffering Hell for eternity, and there's no reason he can't do this.
3) Lock Satan in Hell immediately and stop letting him ruin human lives outside of human control.
4) Let everyone be born in Heaven and not have to go through a tiny flicker of existence on Earth before spending untold trillions of years in an afterlife.

There's no reason things have to be so flawed.


Alternatively, he could've made it a case where someone experiences all of the harm they did unto others for a time period dictated by the severity of their crimes, and after they finish that, they can then go to heaven.

That also seems pretty fair to me.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:54 PM #1435640
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That saying of course that god is a scientist.


If that was true, how hasn't he died yet from lack of vegetables?
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Feb 5, 2016 4:57 PM #1435642
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Alternatively, he could've made it a case where someone experiences all of the harm they did unto others for a time period dictated by the severity of their crimes, and after they finish that, they can then go to heaven.

That also seems pretty fair to me.

Totally. But even that would be punishment for the sake of dealing out pain. Omnipotence means God could make us all appear in Heaven right this second if he wanted to save countless people from Hell. Even feeling the pain of what people did to others is unfair.

Also, In 80 years of life, humans are still crying infants compared to who they'll be or they'll know a million years from now. It would be like stabbing a baby's eye out for being selfish with his toys. They just don't know any better yet.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:57 PM #1435643
He doesn't listen to the endless droning of his parents about being healthy. Y'know? God-Father and God-Mother.

Like his parents wanted him to be a benevolent and kind god, but he didn't want to be like that so he became sadistic and fucked around with his unlimited power? Wait a minute, THATS WHY WE"RE IMPERFECT. GOD IS IMPERFECT AND HE MADE US IN HIS IMAGE, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
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Feb 5, 2016 4:58 PM #1435644
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But even that would be punishment for the sake of dealing out pain


this sounds purely like a human invention, not the mentality of a deity capable of creating the entire fucking universe. yet another reason why I can't take it seriously.
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Feb 5, 2016 5:00 PM #1435645
Guys you're all forgetting an easy explanation for all this that I've been stating from the beginning.


God is a dick.