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Nov 5, 2014 1:51 AM #1264970
Hmmm that sounds like an especially rare taste in literature, even I haven't yet dug up anything of my personal interests that cannot be found translated.

Is it dangerous to disclose the title of the text?

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It isn't easy to learn new languages when moving, especially when you don't even have the time to truly sit down and study it like I did because you have to get a job and make a living.

He was wrong when he blamed your handwriting though, I used to get into conversations all the time and not have any idea what most of the phrases meant, but I was honest and straight up told them I didn't understand what he or she said. Most of them were actually pretty cool about it and spelled it out for me, but rarely someone would just roll their eyes and be done with it.

I actually had an extremely hard time learning english because I was only about 7 when we moved here, so I was still trying to learn spanish. Then I had to worry about an entirely new language simultaneously. Sucked alot.
I respect that. I would never had known if we didn't talk about it.
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Nov 5, 2014 1:57 AM #1264974
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Hmmm that sounds like an especially rare taste in literature, even I haven't yet dug up anything of my personal interests that cannot be found translated.

Is it dangerous to disclose the title of the text?


I hope not. It's Logik und Erkenntnistheorie by Moritz Schlick. It's a typescript of the lectures he gave in the 1934-1935 academic year regarding his theory of semantics and the foundations of knowledge. There's a paper published in English which gives an outline, but I need to look at the detail. And he was murdered by an insane nazi-sympathising student in 1936 so he never got to publish anything more substantial.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:04 AM #1264984
Fascinating, by semantics do you mean our interpretation and decision making when it comes to defining the meaning of words and the like specifically? Ironically it's a word with pretty broad meaning itself.
Sort of like how faggot used to mean homosexual, but now I reserve it for the likes of Justin Bieber and people who can't be bothered to put on belts while wearing pants several sizes too large.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:18 AM #1264988
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Fascinating, by semantics do you mean our interpretation and decision making when it comes to defining the meaning of words and the like specifically? Ironically it's a word with pretty broad meaning itself.
Sort of like how faggot used to mean homosexual, but now I reserve it for the likes of Justin Bieber and people who can't be bothered to put on belts while wearing pants several sizes too large.


In the context of philosophy, "semantics" refers to coming up with the exact rule of use for a specific word. "Defining the meaning of words" is probably the closest you could come to describing it in layman's terms. In practice we end up with quite complex mathematical functions which most people wouldn't think of as the meaning of the words they're using. The idea is to try to get from sentences like "Anne kicked Bob" to "[true/false]", and you do it by replacing each word with a function which takes other words and either turns them into other functions or turns them into truth values (or, more accurately, into functions which take the current state of the world and turn them into truth values, i.e. they'll take "Anne kicked Bob" to "true" if Anne kicked Bob, otherwise they'll take it to "false"). But you can also do it with syntax - you can't turn words into functions without rules for combining the words and that means you can change the meaning of sentences by changing the rules rather than changing the meaning of the individual words.

It's one of those things which is really difficult to explain without an entire text book. Sorry.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:30 AM #1264993
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In the context of philosophy, "semantics" refers to coming up with the exact rule of use for a specific word. "Defining the meaning of words" is probably the closest you could come to describing it in layman's terms. In practice we end up with quite complex mathematical functions which most people wouldn't think of as the meaning of the words they're using. The idea is to try to get from sentences like "Anne kicked Bob" to "[true/false]", and you do it by replacing each word with a function which takes other words and either turns them into other functions or turns them into truth values (or, more accurately, into functions which take the current state of the world and turn them into truth values, i.e. they'll take "Anne kicked Bob" to "true" if Anne kicked Bob, otherwise they'll take it to "false"). But you can also do it with syntax - you can't turn words into functions without rules for combining the words and that means you can change the meaning of sentences by changing the rules rather than changing the meaning of the individual words.

It's one of those things which is really difficult to explain without an entire text book. Sorry.

I follow you, mostly. If anything it'd be nice if you could help me understand the yeshe lama.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:38 AM #1265000
I googled it and found "To purchase or own a copy of Yeshe Lama you must have received the Rig pa'i tsal wang ["empowerment into the dynamic energy of awareness"]". Anything with the word "energy" in it sets off alarms for me. Eastern philosophy is somewhat outside my area of expertise - in fact, it's so far outside my area of expertise that I don't even know who I would call to learn about it. I believe Durham University, where Kieran. is, has an expert or two on the topic, but I can't remember their names.
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Nov 5, 2014 3:00 AM #1265007
Restriction: This text is to be read only by those who have received
empowerment and the reading transmission from a qualified lineage holder.

The book goes on to later telling me that this knowledge is protected by monks.

Anyways, it's deliberately written in a cryptic manner, it isn't about accumulating energy it's about achieving awareness. All the teachings are esoteric and tantra-like, but the book clearly states that to have a chance of understanding the content I need to complete the 4 basic preliminaries, the 5 basic preliminaries *redundancy?* and consulting on union with a guru.
It is a translation, but it conveniently contains the original Tibetan text on the opposite page.

Of course, I'm not supposed to be talking about any of this.
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Nov 5, 2014 3:09 AM #1265008
Sounds like a cult to me :p
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Nov 5, 2014 3:24 AM #1265016
And it could be, honestly I have no prior knowledge in learning "the great perfection". Only from reading the Bhairav Vigyan Tantra do I have a rudimentary understanding of some of this content, but this book takes the key phrases and components to a new level that seems to require fluency. On top of that add in the fact that it's cryptic.

I mean, what do I even do with this? I'm interested in it, but I don't really know what to do with it. I'm among a very small demographic of people who have ever seen the pages in this book.
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Nov 5, 2014 3:45 AM #1265022
What is this mumbo-jumbo magic shit?
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Nov 5, 2014 3:46 AM #1265023
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What is this mumbo-jumbo magic shit?

It's a training manual.

At least, that's what I think.
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Nov 5, 2014 4:17 AM #1265031
I could really use a hug because life really sucks sometimes.
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Nov 5, 2014 4:18 AM #1265032
Did you know that Speed Dating was invented by a Rabbi who wanted a way for Jewish singles to find spouses?
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Nov 5, 2014 4:33 AM #1265037
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I could really use a hug because life really sucks sometimes.

You know I give the best hugs. Feelin' down?
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Nov 5, 2014 5:23 AM #1265047
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I could really use a hug because life really sucks sometimes.

HUGS for Firefly, a member of old
Pray for brighter skies and to bring embers to the cold
A bright path ahead, just you wait and see
Just laughs abed for this slow aging queen
Gather round, for in front of us stands a marvel
A benevolent woman prettier than a marble
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