Hey Jeff, Saitama can tear Hulk a new one if we're comparing physical attributes. Unlike the hulk, he doesn't even need to exert much effort. The one time he went serious on someone he disintegrated the opponent with one punch.

Though really, doesn't Hulk have a limit?

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Though really, doesn't Hulk have a limit?

No; he does not.

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First of all I never disagreed with what you or anyone else said. The only thing I did is ask you how do you think would Hulk defeat Alucard's immortality, and no punching his way through dimensions won't do anything. Alucard's power grants him the ability to exist wherever and however he wishes to. He can also exist in multiple places at once, so I was interested how do you think Hulk would beat him, that's not disagreeing with what you said.

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Atleast quote what I did to disagree with your opinion before going ham and saying that. I don't see anything wrong with 'My actual question was, how do you think Hulk would kill Immortal guys like Alucard and can he overcome super 'Mind Control and Hypnosis' , the teleportation.. etc?'

You did disagree with me, I posted my reasoning for the Hulk and why SOK killing God with a gun doesn't really matter and you said SOK could "1 shot Hulk no sweat," and that "Hulk isn't even a contest against SOK in my eyes". You said it to someone else, but that's still disagreeing with what I said, and you specifically said "in my eyes" meaning that's what you believe; your opinion. That's fine if you want to think that, but it doesn't convince ME personally that what I said in regards to the Hulk's ability was wrong. At that point we're simply agreeing to disagree which is fine, but boring.

For example, I said Hulk could punch his way into the dimension Alucard is in (this is valid, and actually one of the Hulk's retarded powers), now you're claiming that wouldn't do anything because Alucard can exist where and whenever he wants. This is what I like to talk about, you're right, but you definitely still disagreed with me previously. I would now like to say that being able to exist anywhere doesn't mean the Hulk can't get to him. Alucard definitely has weaknesses that could be exploited by the Hulk, especially the part about all of his lives having to die before he can be killed. It would take a while, but it could happen. He might be able to evade the Hulk effectively, but the Hulk practically cannot be destroyed while Alucard can, so if it's a battle to see who would over power the other, The Hulk would win by sheer stamina. Alucard could run, but he couldn't hide.

EDIT: Also I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't say I'm "going ham" when I am only calmly stating my feelings on this thread. If I was going ham I wouldn't be open to discussion, I would just tell you to fuck off in an extensive manner.

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I made this thread to discuss how would one defeat another, what are their pros and cons, and learn about new characters as you said.

I would like to point out that you're being very flippant about this thread. This thread is titled "the strongest there is", and you ask us to present a case for who is the "strongest". No where have you mentioned any sort of character dueling or anything else that indicates you wish to discuss theoretical battles. You also earlier explained what you meant by "strongest", still without specifying what you wanted. Forgive me if I've been mislead into thinking "strongest" referred to individual characters as a whole and not how they would be in a battle. Many of the comparisons you want to make don't work simply because both characters have equal counters. I feel like you're setting a moving goal post here so you can justify your choice in Alucard. I don't think I'm going to post here again because of the way you're running it, so you can feel free to ignore everything anyone else is saying in favor of making your choice look the best, I don't want to be a part of it.

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This time tho, you are hiding behind an opinion, what are your feats? How can Hulk survive the weapons that are said to kill whoever they are fired at?

I am not hiding behind an opinion, I'm welcoming rebuttal. I would be hiding behind my opinion if I said, "That's just my opinion." And refused to listen to any thing else. I've provided links already and justified what I'm saying based on canonical evidence in the Hulk's history. I can justify my saying that the Hulk would overcome SOK's revolvers because the Hulk has incredible healing abilities. The revolver's SOK has are said to be "always fatal". In this case we need to define what "fatal" means. Going by the literal definition ("causing death"), I could argue that the Hulk could technically be considered "dead" but still heal himself back to life. I don't think SOK's pistols have a definition for what the magical properties consider fatal, but sticking to the literal definition, the Hulk could be shot dead many times and just heal himself back. Many real life people have been legally dead for periods of time and "come back to life", so it's not even unheard of.

Barring that, the Hulk has resistance to dark magic, given that the revolvers come from hell I think it's safe to consider them as dark magic. If what makes the revolvers absolutely fatal comes from that dark magic, then it wouldn't affect the hulk, making them regular revolvers to him. At that point they probably wouldn't even penetrate him. Even if they did, again, healing powers.

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That aside, I'll be grateful if you post any non-mainstream characters that are pretty OP. Since I really got tired of the same old shit :D I am surprised that no one has brought the Superman bullshit so far..

So, now you're changing your preference for this thread against mainstream characters? So now my points are invalid because Hulk is too mainstream right? This is exactly what a moving goalpost is. Which is also kind of ironic since you're preferring Alucard, which is also a pretty mainstream character.

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Hey Jeff, Saitama can tear Hulk a new one if we're comparing physical attributes. Unlike the hulk, he doesn't even need to exert much effort. The one time he went serious on someone he disintegrated the opponent with one punch.

Though really, doesn't Hulk have a limit?

Maybe in the short-term, but over time Hulk would get angrier and angrier to the point of surpassing Saitama physically. AFAIK, at least, if Hulk really has no limit. I say Hulk has no limit because the Beyonder said that the Hulk's strength has no finite element to it. If you're not sure who the Beyonder is, you should look him up. He's one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe.

EDIT2: Also, every wiki article about the Hulk talks about how limitless his strength is, with plenty of citations if you're interested in verifying those claims.

As much as I love someone defending the Saint of Killers, I just have to say that I so fucking called it, like 10 pages ago:

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Just so you guys know, This very same argument was made 2 years ago and the results are so far beyond AceDrake's comprehension, he just wouldn't be able to accept it.

^I linked that for Ace's sake to show him that the definitive answer to this topic was "The Hulk" and I had hoped that he may not repeat his habit of ignoring everyone's rebuttal and automatically dismissing them. But I guess he still cannot get the hang of this 'debating' thing no matter what.


Also, Jeff. You make such shocking points. I'm afraid, I will have to agree with you and throw my favorite Preacher character under a bus. Sorry Saint of Killers. But the Hulk kicks your ass real bad. I actually just nominated SOK to get him some attention. The truth is, "God" in that universe was but a normal human-ish being and not some divine cosmic entity that could make things explode at the snap of his fingers. So yeah, him shooting god is not exactly a positive argument for the SOK.

Ugh I hate reading my own posts in that thread. What a shit head I was being, I let my frustrations get the better of me too fast. What an embarrassment. Point still stands, tho.

EDIT: Also, from the wikipedia page for Hulk:

Writer Greg Pak described the Worldbreaker Hulk shown during World War Hulk as having a level of physical power where "Hulk was stronger than any mortal—and most immortals—who ever walked the Earth."

One of the writers wrote a version of Hulk as being more powerful than most immortals, so that doesn't mean you're more powerful than the Hulk just by virtue of being immortal.

Also also, reading that post from 420acedrake makes me feel more comfortable ditching this thread. I don't think I'm going to get anywhere with him, not worth it.

I just showed you the brunt of it, but not the part where I pretty much did what you did and made a huge rant out of it that in the end wasn't worth it. Everyone else was also pretty much saying the same thing but I was more vocal. 420Ace Drake just steamrolled over all that, it's useless trying to argue with the guy. Let's just all agree what he agrees with.

I'm just sorry I didn't notice this thread's progress any sooner and saved you the trouble

I literally was like, "I think I got the gist of this topic, I won't need to read the other pages if I'm just answering the OP." :(

EDIT: oh god out of curiosity I read the rest of the pages of that post you linked. What the fuck, his attitude at the end of that is so ridiculous. Why does he keep making these threads if he's just going to get upset when others disagree with him?

"Maybe he just expects others to immediately agree with him."

Actually, wouldn't Batman or Plasticman be capable of beating the Hulk? Batman being....batman while Plasticman might be the most durable of heroes.

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I literally was like, "I think I got the gist of this topic, I won't need to read the other pages if I'm just answering the OP." :(

EDIT: oh god out of curiosity I read the rest of the pages of that post you linked. What the fuck, his attitude at the end of that is so ridiculous. Why does he keep making these threads if he's just going to get upset when others disagree with him?

This is his first thread. The other one was made by another guy and Ace just happened to be a DBZ fan...going up against the Hulk which he seems to belittle

I think a part of the confusion stems from the thread title. AceDrake isn't looking for the Strongest EVAH, but the strongest amongst different spectrums of strong. As dumb as that sounds. Still, it doesn't excuse his absolute disregard for other people's opinions.

My bad, i should really look at the whole topic lol. I just assumed. I still think that Hulk could at least match the best of them. I dont mind comparing fictional characters for shits and giggles, i was just wondering why i needed to defend against hypotheticals when that didn't seem to be the topic. Also we should all acknowledge that comparing fictional characters is inherently flawed, but still fun.

He seemed to be respectful when I corrected his misconceptions about definitions and ancient Norse/Indian pantheons.

I wasn't exactly gentle about it either.

I'll say it again, I have never disagreed with you, That Alucard can defeat the Hulk or that the Hulk doesn't h have unlimited strenght. I was just saying that Hulk cannot beat Alucard aswell. He is simply immortal, he doesn't have life, he exists while he doesn't, which makes me laugh when you said that Hulk will go in any demension Alucard is hiding and kill all his souls until he's dead.. That's not how immortality works(yap, that's how bullshity the Hellsing manga is).

I never said that mainstream characters arn't allowed, I just said that it would be nice if someone has some non-mainstream characters which we haven't heard of yet.

One friendly advice, it'd be good if you read the argumetns/feats one has provided before claming that THEY are ignoring your arguments. Anyways, as you said this thread isn't made for 1v1 battle , but for all these really strong fiction characters out there, so let's drop this Hulk v. The World thing. I apologize if I have offended you in some way throughout this whole thread. Have a nice day/evening.

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I have never disagreed with you

I couldn't help but find this utterly hilarious after eleven pages of debate.