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How to utilize scorch?

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Oct 24, 2014 8:22 PM #1259587
Well unless you avoid all engagements altogether, you're going to be losing some swords. Also, because of the insane burn dps ele can get means that swords die fairly easily. It's similar to how it's difficult to create a large spearton force in a standard OvO game, because they keep dying in combat.
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Oct 26, 2014 4:36 PM #1260264
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Well unless you avoid all engagements altogether, you're going to be losing some swords. Also, because of the insane burn dps ele can get means that swords die fairly easily. It's similar to how it's difficult to create a large spearton force in a standard OvO game, because they keep dying in combat.

Yeah okay, but before the first fire surely you can garrison all those low swords easily enough?
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Oct 26, 2014 4:51 PM #1260271
"before the first fire"
Considering that fire start is one of the most common starts as elementals, that probably won't be for very long. Seems every OvE game I play is them either fire starting or stalling with earths while waiting for a fire.
Plus, let me ask you this. Have you ever lost a spearton in OvO or OvC? Because in theory you can garrison those too, in practice it's possible to lose them.
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Oct 26, 2014 8:38 PM #1260353
Ive never bought a spearton in OvC
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Oct 26, 2014 8:55 PM #1260356
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"before the first fire"
Considering that fire start is one of the most common starts as elementals, that probably won't be for very long. Seems every OvE game I play is them either fire starting or stalling with earths while waiting for a fire.
Plus, let me ask you this. Have you ever lost a spearton in OvO or OvC? Because in theory you can garrison those too, in practice it's possible to lose them.

xD Ok, yes, on fire starts swords are going to get shredded, but on Earth stalls surely you could save a few swords.
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Oct 26, 2014 11:57 PM #1260411
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Ive never bought a spearton in OvC


Wait...really?

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xD Ok, yes, on fire starts swords are going to get shredded, but on Earth stalls surely you could save a few swords.


Well perhaps, although if the swords directly engage with the earths it's quite easy to get stunlocked and killed; but you're probably right, you'll likely have a few swords saved up while they're cheesing earths. Once that fire comes out, though, swords start to die really fast. The thing is that if you're going to have any kind of pressure, you need to have meatshields ready to soak up damage, and that's the role of swords. When swords are constantly soaking up hits, it's hard to keep many alive at a time.
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Oct 27, 2014 2:36 AM #1260468
Quote from 59saintdane
"before the first fire"
Considering that fire start is one of the most common starts as elementals, that probably won't be for very long. Seems every OvE game I play is them either fire starting or stalling with earths while waiting for a fire.
Plus, let me ask you this. Have you ever lost a spearton in OvO or OvC? Because in theory you can garrison those too, in practice it's possible to lose them.


Fire start probably isn't the most common, I've seen a lot more earth stall in action. It's more reliable and you get more eco.

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Well perhaps, although if the swords directly engage with the earths it's quite easy to get stunlocked and killed; but you're probably right, you'll likely have a few swords saved up while they're cheesing earths. Once that fire comes out, though, swords start to die really fast. The thing is that if you're going to have any kind of pressure, you need to have meatshields ready to soak up damage, and that's the role of swords. When swords are constantly soaking up hits, it's hard to keep many alive at a time.


You're quite right about most things you said. This is why you just shouldn't use raging swords in OvE, they just die too fast. One thing I have to say is this, in an earth start, attacking with swords won't get them killed really, earths do very low damage and can be cheesed easily. So it's easier than you guys think to save swords, and maybe, just maybe save up enough swords to rage and kill everything.
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Oct 27, 2014 8:44 AM #1260567
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Fire start probably isn't the most common, I've seen a lot more earth stall in action. It's more reliable and you get more eco.


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Considering that fire start is one of the most common starts as elementals.


"One of the most common"
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Nov 2, 2014 3:25 AM #1263569
with practice u can easily ignore swords. slipnot S.O. and others have seen me counter sword,crawl, and archer cheesing via earths.
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Jan 5, 2015 8:36 AM #1290237
I have personally had very polarizing experiences with scorch. On one hand it can be amazing and on the other it can be equally as bad.

I have taken out 12 archers at once with one scorch (watching them all die at once after they harassed the base all game was pretty nice hahaha).

With that said I would strongly advise against it's use except in certain extreme scenarios. If you are behind and need to get you back in the game, it can be your best friend especially when it's your last hope.

When archers invade your base in the end game behind a ghost or shield (you can hide them behind a couple of earths) or at the beginning of a deathmatch where you can insta-win. If you miss, however, you basically lose (although you might be able to come back), it will be hard in any case.
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Jan 5, 2015 4:22 PM #1290401
EvE somebody does an Air mass or you tree mass and begin spammign fires+waters.

You can run into their base after tower spawn and blow the crap outta his miners. Or late game when you are destroying his statue camp them right in front of his gate and wait for him to come out.
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