Tablets and Laptops breaking. I dont get how animators in clans and collabs can just freely say this and expect to be believed. For god's sake, just say "I'm lazy." Are you afraid of damaging your rep? Is your rep being lazy? Yes.

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I don't get the appeal of Love Bites. I'm sorry, but Suarez'ing your girlfriend's neck does not prove how much you love her.

th... this?

Like, I think it's probably not this but just in case it IS this, then you're wrong.

I dont get it why people dont show the original work they use for their tutorial. I mean, just place the outcome of the tutorial in the beginning of your tutorial so we know it isnt crap that your learning us.

I'm sure it's been brought up already, but I really don't get the appeal of animating stick fights anymore.

It's absurd to me that in 2014, over 13 years after xiao xiao came out, anyone can still open Flash with the intention to create a <15 second "combo" animation and feel like they're doing anything other than wasting their time.

I mean if you have an actual artistic vision that you can actualize with stick figures, that's one thing, but if all you want to do is animate generic stick fights I honestly can't think of a bigger waste of practice, effort and time. You might as well spend years learning guitar just so you can play a cover of Wonderwall, there's already tens of thousands of people who can play their own covers, many of whom are better than you'll ever be, and at the end of the day no matter how good you get it's still derivative of someone else's work.

It doesn't help that the BSE and RHG reinforces the value of generic fight/"combo" animations. I just wish there was some sort of collective drive to do something other than the same boring sequences of stick figures punching and kicking each other.

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Hey if we're talking about RHG Clans:

Also dont get how RHG Clans ABSOLUTELY NEED 6 members. The rules say 2-6. But nobody seems to think "aw I can only manage 2-3 people". Approximately 80% of all clan posts consist of "getting members". And this includes posts where already-members post chatter while waiting for the Xth guy. It's bullshit. Nothing is happening. And the leader doesn't do anything short of contributing to pointless chatter and waiting for more members.

I don't get Clan Supporter Sigs and Clan Alliances. Who are you allying against? Who are you not supporting? I've seen like some users just going to every clan, asking for a sig like its some kind of scout badge to be collected, where it will sit in your sig gathering dust and mean absolutely nothing. Do you like, goto a "rival" clan and the rival clan is suppose to feel repulsed that he's a supporter of X Clan? NO. Nothing happens. Clans asking to be allies is bullshit since Clans Invasions don't exist.

Wasn't it awkward that a clan have only 2-3 members? And about the chats, i think they should do it somewhere else, instead of the clan thread.

...Clan supporters doesn't wanna "support" clans, mang. They just wanted free custom sig.
And clan alliances happened just because the leader of a clan is a friend of another clan's leader.

I don't get the appeal of:
-forcing your media tastes (cartoons, animes, ecc.) on others using big ass signatures or emotional/sexually-referencing images
-making gameplay videos using sexually-referencing/stolen/reworked images, which have nothing at all to do with the content of the video
-animes and mangas that are about girls being reproduced in sexually-referencing ways or girls fighting in sexually-referencing ways or completely disregarding phisics in a story (if not the story itself) just to put enphasis on girls in sexually-referencing poses (AKA fan service (sexual type))
-thinking that women shouldn't be equal to men but superiors
-watching soccer and others sports in general instead of playing them
-search for expensive clothes
-watching a show only because there is an half naked woman
-study courses that everyone do only because they give you "more money" without actually doing what you like most
-faking poverty while living well just to have those little more money from people
-watching reality shows

I feel like I have more, but now it doesn't get in my mind
Maybe later

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-watching reality shows

You can't h8 on survivor no matter how fake it is

Those fat bastards you see in pubs wearing football kits, watching matches and talking shit about players when you know their guts would be dragging on the ground after 20 seconds with a ball. I also don't get football in general. Fuck football.

I don't get soccer

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Hey if we're talking about RHG Clans:

I dont get the point of Honorable Members in the sense of their actual role in the clan. Since HMs were never in the original rules, I assume one clan started it because he had so many friends and didn't want to leave someone out or he just wanted to acknowledge (read: cocksuck) someone awesome. But now since EVERY clan does it, it's practically pointless.

Also dont get how RHG Clans ABSOLUTELY NEED 6 members. The rules say 2-6. But nobody seems to think "aw I can only manage 2-3 people". Approximately 80% of all clan posts consist of "getting members". And this includes posts where already-members post chatter while waiting for the Xth guy. It's bullshit. Nothing is happening. And the leader doesn't do anything short of contributing to pointless chatter and waiting for more members.

I don't get weeklies. Like, leader says "stick dat kicks 5 times" or "uses powers to execute". Mostly 10-second affair. All for what. Improving? Forget it. These days, its just to fill up the front page with stuff we do to show that WE DO STUFF. Nobody mentors in clans anymore its ridiculous.

I don't get Clan Supporter Sigs and Clan Alliances. Who are you allying against? Who are you not supporting? I've seen like some users just going to every clan, asking for a sig like its some kind of scout badge to be collected, where it will sit in your sig gathering dust and mean absolutely nothing. Do you like, goto a "rival" clan and the rival clan is suppose to feel repulsed that he's a supporter of X Clan? NO. Nothing happens. Clans asking to be allies is bullshit since Clans Invasions don't exist.

I will admit Honorary members don't really do things. I guess its just a thing where you give someone whos nice in the clan, idk.

I put a lot of work into my clan saying we put no work into the clan and just sit around waiting for members, I find that an offence. I will admit some clans just let anyone they want into it. just so they can say they have a full clan and are a good leader. But what about us clans that put actual care and work into it? I mean I keep up with the clan and manage it. I don't agree with you here.

And again, us clans that do put effort into it. That is why we cnc - and have our members improve from it.
"These days, its just to fill up the front page with stuff we do to show that WE DO STUFF." - It actual is meant to help members improve w/ there skills.

Ok I have to agree with you on supporter sigs. They are really getting annoying w/ people going on clans and asking for them, and then don't give a crap about the clan. There are few people who actual care. I only use them cause I enjoy making them, and it kinda helps people see the clan better. Which is what they were intended for. - but ya they did come corrupt :|
Alliances are kinda useless too.

But I have to agree, I thought about this too at points. Some of it is ok, and some of it is pointless. These are just what I think of them.

The points Hewitt was trying yo make are all viable, honorary members have little purpose other than possibly including someone completely unrelated in a clan collab, something most clans do regardless. If you really think about it, in the time spent getting six members, nothing productive happens in the clan under the pretense of "we need six members to start doing things."
The point I agree with the most is the thing about clans not helping each other improve anymore. Cland used to be and should be about having a variety of skill levels so that the ones that are more experienced can help the guys that aren't as adept become better at animating. That's how it was in Chronicle once upon a time, but that's not important. The weeklies almost never push you guys beyond your limits. Most of the time they're just there sothat if someone says you guys don't do things you can point at the weekilies like, "here, we have things." They don't help you improve at all because most of the time everyone will bitch and moan and not do a weekly that's outside of their comfort zone so they've become nothing more that updates on animation activity within your members.

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"These days, its just to fill up the front page with stuff we do to show that WE DO STUFF." - It actual is meant to help members improve w/ there skills.

I'm sorry but animating a very basic combo like "Punch, kick, kick, GRAB NECK - Finish him!" isn't exactly a focused attempt to improve fundamental animation skills, it's precisely the sort of filler hewitt was talking about.

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Wasn't it awkward that a clan have only 2-3 members?

Why not? What can the 6 of you achieve that the 2-3 of them can't? You see, it doesn't matter. The only reason you would ever need 6 people is so you can do a clan war with another clan with also 6 people. Which in itself is IMPOSSIBLE. Please explain how awkward having a more focused group can be?

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...Clan supporters doesn't wanna "support" clans, mang. They just wanted free custom sig.
And clan alliances happened just because the leader of a clan is a friend of another clan's leader.

And what is the sig for? There is no point in them. Having a sig from a certain clan doesn't prove shit about your loyalties with that clan, just that you were able to extract swag from it.

And friends against who? Why do you need to form allies when there are no enemies? I mean it's not like clans even do anything together. Do you have a cross-clan picnic or something? Do they cheer for you when you do your useless weeklies? Are they significant to your clan power in any way? No. You just added their name to your front page. BAM. We're friends with NEMESIS, the biggest clan ever and its legit because THEY ACCEPTED MY INVITE OMGIMDYINGOFEXCITEMENT. So you should hold us in the same regard as NEMESIS, even though we've proven to do absolutely nothing.

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I put a lot of work into my clan saying we put no work into the clan and just sit around waiting for members, I find that an offence. I will admit some clans just let anyone they want into it. just so they can say they have a full clan and are a good leader. But what about us clans that put actual care and work into it? I mean I keep up with the clan and manage it. I don't agree with you here.

And again, us clans that do put effort into it. That is why we cnc - and have our members improve from it.
"These days, its just to fill up the front page with stuff we do to show that WE DO STUFF." - It actual is meant to help members improve w/ there skills.

Please read Drone and Exilement's posts first. They have the point. Now with that said, I'm pretty sure every clan "puts alot of work in their clan" so you can't argue that you don't, and I'm not saying nobody does. Like kids who try to make crappy art in the art section, it doesn't matter how long or how much effort they put into a piece. If it sucks, then it sucks. So your subjective experience on how much effort is being put is irrelevant to my point.

And lol, pardon me for saying this but I'm sure people far more qualified (aka animators) will agree with me, but what "SKILLZ" are you all helping to improve exactly? That's another thing I don't get the appeal of: Pivot Clans. Or rather, people who ever thought that Pivot ever had a chance to co-exist in a Flash-dominant setting. Now I'm not saying Pivot sucks...but to make Pivot clans and expect the same amount of respect from similar RHG clans is just beyond me. The two are not similar and never will be.

How can you, an animator of this: http://i.imgur.com/JfRSRl3.gif

Give CNC to your members who half of which are FLASH users. What wisdom could you possibly bestow upon them as a Clan Leader. And let's see, I see you've got weeklies here:

Have your RHG character do the following combo on a Black stickman
Combo
Punch, kick, kick, GRAB NECK - Finish him!

OMG a 4 hit combo on a black stick. Ingenious. Oh and I can see that the 2 people who actually did it are Flash users. And they appear to be far better than your pivoting. Okay, so what CNC can you offer those 2 guys. And what is this suppose to be. There is nothing you can learn from this. OR cnc. What's the point?

Let's look at your clan anims...okay there are none. Only your demo (which isn't even suppose to count as it is not Clan-related), and everyone else's tryouts. Wow, good job. I can see that you worked hard for this.

If it looks like I'm saying your clan sucks, I'm not. I'm just trying to make a point, and that is that the entire concept of Weeklies, and having Six Members before doing anything, and Honoraries and Sigs are pointless now in the RHG world. They don't mean anything. And no amount of "working hard for it" is going to do a damn difference.

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Cuz it's fun and some people enjoy watching it. I'll agree that animating stick figures in hopes to become an animator working at a studio is foolish, but simply doing it because it's fun and looks cool is fine. I already know that you don't like it, but there are plenty of people who love watching and making them. You meet new friends too. Video games are equally as pointless but people love video games. Same thing.

That's not the same thing at all.

Stick figure animation in its current form began when Xiao Xiao came out in 2001. Stick animations were universally very crude and unpolished, and then suddenly this guy comes up with the idea to combine stick figure animation and high-quality fight choreography with some Matrix references thrown in for good fun. It was an original concept and became popular specifically because it was unique, original, something that no one had ever seen before.

You know what else made its debut in 2001? Halo. Do you think everyone still loves the idea of a space-marine FPS in 2014? Or a gritty war-time FPS a la Call of Duty? No one is getting excited anymore. It's been overdone to the point where it's a cliche. That's a more accurate analogy, but still not even close to what this community does.


Here's a more accurate analogy: imagine a video game production forum completely based around space-marine FPS games, where the entire community produced little more than unfinished "tests" of their own space-marine shoot 'em ups. Everyone has their own "character" of a space marine with a certain weapon and color scheme, maybe a backstory that doesn't actually exist outside of a forum post, and they produce mini-games with these characters to "battle" each other. The rest of the community's output are rudimentary "tests" that aren't part of a larger project that would even remotely resemble something like Halo, but just individual tiny projects that never go anywhere, but garner praise and feedback when shared with the community.

If you stumbled into that community, you would think several things: first, that they're all 13 years too late and no one seems to realize it. Second, that it's really fucking weird how no one seems to have any motivation to create a game that's complete beginning-to-end. And finally, that even if they did finish a game, it's just going to be another generic version of something that was already done better nearly a decade and a half ago.


So while I see the appeal of playing a finished game that provides a unique experience beginning to end, I don't see the appeal of a video game that fails both of those criteria, nor do I see the appeal of creating them. Same thing with stick fights.

If its not broke don't fix it. People are still getting famous and paid for animating stick fights so why change it.

Also not everyone does stick fights. You mostly see stick fights becasue you're only exposed to the highly liked/talked about ones.

Also like what Jombo said, its a hobby between the people who actually like stick animation. You can animate anything really but stick fights are more liked among the community. I mean just becasue everyone's might be the same concept doesn't mean everyone doesn't have their own unique ideas and styles of going about it. Take Pluto or Sj8 they do stick fights but they're still entertaining to watch becasue of their unique style.